Wikia

WARFRAME Wiki

Kunai or Hikou

  • Which one is better?

      Loading editor
    • Whoo, I love these kinds of debates.

      I'm going to tell you now, they're literally almost the same thing.

      As far as I can see, the Hikou deal about half the damage of the Kunai, and fire twice as fast, and carry twice the amount on hand.

      So really, Hikou, with 100% Hornet Strike, should deal 5 more damage per second than Kunai, provided all shots connect.

      So really, Hikou is just a faster, but weaker Kunai. Make your choice.

      Kunai: More Ammo efficiency, more kick per hit.

      Hikou: Faster rate, more forgiving with misses(?), less ammo efficient.

      Also, based on Gunslinger (72%), Hikou registers a firerate of 11.4724, rounded to 11.47, where Kunai reach speeds of 5.676, rounded to 5.68. So really, the firerates end up the same (though Hikou is ever-so-slightly faster, but not enough to actually be considered as a pro.)

      The powers of copy+paste from an old comment.

      In summary, they really do the same DPS, with a minor upside to the Hikou in terms of DPS and firerate:damage ratio, though the part where Hikou suffers is the fact that it eats through the supply at double the speed. Also, the Hikou gets a slashing damage type ALONG with being armor-ignoring (proper name would be physics impact), meaning it can deal x3 damage to light Infested, along with the FULL damage capabilities, which the Kunai also has.

      Either way, in the end, I'd say: "Whichever the hell's cooler and more fun to play with, there's not much difference."

        Loading editor
    • Hikou is usually better agains light infesteds (3x damage), try using it on Phorid, you`ll notice the difference.

        Loading editor
    • does Hikou go through Ruk's bullet attractor

        Loading editor
    • 122.106.1.232 wrote:
      does Hikou go through Ruk's bullet attractor

      I don't think any throwing weapons go through it anymore. Kunai used to, but as far as I know, that's been fixed. Almost killed myself trying last time.

        Loading editor
    • Hikou is by far better than a Kunai. It deals Serrated Blade damage(3x damage to infested+armor ignore), you know. Plus it looks cooler and feels like a machinegun(a accurate one) with maxed Speed Trigger mod(firerate).

        Loading editor
    • despair is by far better than hikou. if you compare the same mods on both then despair wins with the damage (making it just as strong as a lot of primaries). only thing i've seen hikou winning is it seems to stagger every time they hit.

        Loading editor
    • Hikou=best throwing weapon against light infested.


      Also Physics Impact still faces damage reduction with Armour against Grineer Rollers, Seekers, Commanders, whereas Serrated Blade (like Armour Piercing and Poison) does full damage versus anything.

        Loading editor
    • DoctorWedge wrote:
      Hikou=best throwing weapon against light infested.


      Also Physics Impact still faces damage reduction with Armour against Grineer Rollers, Seekers, Commanders, whereas Serrated Blade (like Armour Piercing and Poison) does full damage versus anything.

      Will note the Physics Impact vs Serrated Blade, but to be honest, it's pretty hard to find any non-defense area with Rollers, Seekers, and Commanders with enough armor to actually make the Kunai any less dangerous. Hikou will wreck light infested though.

        Loading editor
    • hmm but hikou does stagger to enemies whereas the desapir and kunai doesn't

        Loading editor
    • 220.255.2.45 wrote:
      hmm but hikou does stagger to enemies whereas the desapir and kunai doesn't

      Kunai stagger. Despair don't.

        Loading editor
    • who cares about light infested the only enemies you need to worry about are ancients and grineer heavies (at high levels)

        Loading editor
    • It staggers heavy infested too!

      "

        Loading editor
    • it all comes down to wether you want to burst enemies down (hikou) or take you time pot shotting them (kunai). since, no single build is perfect, each one has ups and downs.

        Loading editor
    • Stealth, Kunai.

      Assault, Hikou.

        Loading editor
    • 173.227.72.99 wrote:
      Stealth, Kunai.

      Assault, Hikou.

      But they're both silent?

      Kunai: Ammo conservative

      Hikou: I've got 4 arms, muthafuqa, slightly better DPS, x3 to Light Infested.

      P.S. I use Kunai, but I have no plans to go Hikou as of this current moment.

        Loading editor
    • Hikou for light infested

      Kunai for heavy infested

      Despair for everything else

      Hikou look cool with the trails and everything, but do you really need a weapon that specializes in killing the weakest enemies in the game?

        Loading editor
    • ^ It's useful for Xini.

        Loading editor
    • Search on the wiki "Damage Calculator". There you can put on all of your mods and put on w/e your heart desires AND change the level of the enemy. That way, you can see the damage numbers and what effects the mods have to your total damage. Arguably, the best throwing weapon is the Despair but you can look at the numbers to see which is better between the kunai and the hikou. According to the math that -I- get, Hikou is better. Not necessarily ammo efficient, but better. If you have a Pistol Ammo Mutation mod, then you're pretty much set for life on ammo.

        Loading editor
    • Despair is perfect for Grineer! (It's AP Deals 50% more damage to medium Grineer units + Ignores armor calculation of Ancients and other enemies). Not potatoed Despair (if modded correctly) can kill medium Grineer around lvl 40-50 in about 2 hits. Headshots with this thing are pretty devastating against Heavies (around 8 throws in the head to kill lvl 50-60, which is not that difficult considering their "mobility"). Hikou is good too, but I prefer to use it vs infested (however melee weaps are so powerfull against them that you won't use it much, if only you aren't in a very dangerous situation where taking 1 or 2 hits can kill you). 

      P.S. Though Hikou is good vs all factions (especially Infested) I think Despair is a much better choice for Grineer (vs Corpus this two weaps are almost equal) (and it is two times more ammo efficient so you don't need to put ammo stock mods in it and can concentrate on dmg).

      Sorry for bad english (Яussia) :)

        Loading editor
    • Tankwel wrote:
      Despair is perfect for Grineer! (It's AP Deals 50% more damage to medium Grineer units + Ignores armor calculation of Ancients and other enemies). Not potatoed Despair (if modded correctly) can kill medium Grineer around lvl 40-50 in about 2 hits. Headshots with this thing are pretty devastating against Heavies (around 8 throws in the head to kill lvl 50-60, which is not that difficult considering their "mobility"). Hikou is good too, but I prefer to use it vs infested (however melee weaps are so powerfull against them that you won't use it much, if only you aren't in a very dangerous situation where taking 1 or 2 hits can kill you). 

      P.S. Though Hikou is good vs all factions (especially Infested) I think Despair is a much better choice for Grineer (vs Corpus this two weaps are almost equal) (and it is two times more ammo efficient so you don't need to put ammo stock mods in it and can concentrate on dmg).

      Sorry for bad english (Яussia) :)


      The original question was kunai vs hikou, nothing about the despair, although the despair is better than the both hikou and kunai, but they are much harder to get, so not exactly an option for everyone, I've wanted the despair for quite some time, but I keep getting a dread bow. In terms of kunai vs hikou, the hikou actually have a slightly higher dps at base hikou have 166.75 (25*6.667) and kunai have 148.5 (45*3.3), but that iplies you hit every shot, with mods on, this gap gets slightly bigger, with gunslinger for example, the hikou does 286.75 (25*11.47) and the kunai does 255.6 (45*5.68). At high level, they are about equal, at low level, the hikou are better. The hikou are technically better since they have a higher dps and stagger certain units.

      However, if you have the chance to get a despair, use that, despair has a higher base damage and dps then both kunai and hikou.

        Loading editor
    • 86.27.54.103 wrote:

      In terms of kunai vs hikou, the hikou actually have a slightly higher dps at base hikou have 166.75 (25*6.667) and kunai have 148.5 (45*3.3), but that iplies you hit every shot, with mods on, this gap gets slightly bigger, with gunslinger for example, the hikou does 286.75 (25*11.47) and the kunai does 255.6 (45*5.68). At high level, they are about equal, at low level, the hikou are better. The hikou are technically better since they have a higher dps and stagger certain units.



      Hmm sure if you calculated with mod gunslinger, but why you didn't gave numbers if you have with hornet strike. Hmm maybe because it will favour the hikou as gunslinger favour hikou.




        Loading editor
    • Ive noticed that hikou (great infested wep) are amazing at clearing infested even some ancients

      Now the real comparison is Kunai and Despair. In this situation despair will out match the hikou and kunai at grineer and corpus battles due to dps. 

      So it all comes down to which faction ur fighting 

      Hikou Infested

      Kunai Grineer and corpus (if u dont have despair)

      Despair Grineer and corpus (better then kunai)

      (sry if someone else siad this already, too lazy to read 600 coments xD)

        Loading editor
    • Everybody mentions Despair in a Kunai vs. Hikou thread. Genius.

        Loading editor
    • Thank you!

        Loading editor
    • personally i like the Hikou better. i don't mind the less damage per shot, i like the faster fire rate so i can create a wall of deathly stars instead of less knives. plus i have pistol ammo mutation, so i can't run out of ammo anyway. 

        Loading editor
    • Hikou has a slight DPS increase, and a better damage type. It is also better for stunlocking. The biggest disadventage is ammo efficiency.

        Loading editor
    • Go for Kunai or Despair if you :

      - Going for Stealth gameplay

      - Don't want wasting ammo

      - Just throw 1 ammo and get big damage dealt to enemy


      Go for Hikou if you :

      - Going for Assault gameplay

      - Want high DPS

      - Have Pistol Ammo Mutation


      NB:

      I have tested all of it.

        Loading editor
    • Kunai or Hikou? PFFT. Despair. But if you must choose between those, go for Hikou IMO. Increased fire rate and increased fire power via mods and you kill things in a fraction of a second. Quite literally.

        Loading editor
    • You could say Hikou are more accurate (or have a higher chance to hit) simply because there are 2x as many flying at your enemy. Missing with Hikou vs missing with Kunai: Hikou will have higher overall DPS considering the human component. That much may make it a better weapon in general.

        Loading editor
    • everybody only mentions dmg and fire rate, but they are forgetting something very important. Both weapons are the same in all other aspects, so equal crit chance and status chance. Since the Hikou fires twice as many shots, it has twice as many chances to crit, or cause a status effect. so, in terms of DPS, they are about the same, but the Hikou have a higher chance to cause a status effects, so i usually put corrosive (shock+poison) to eat away at a heavily armoured enemy, and then finish them off with something else. 

        Loading editor
    • 209.127.29.7
        Loading editor
Give Kudos to this message
You've given this message Kudos!
See who gave Kudos to this message

Around Wikia's network

Random Wiki