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Flags - a new way to maintain article notice boxes

  • Good morning WARFRAME Wiki!

    As part of our ongoing work to try and help ensure articles work well across kinds of devices, we've been hard at work on a new article feature to update the way 'content notices' work, which we're calling Flags.

    What we're talking about are the kinds of notice templates you see at the top of articles with information like 'this article contains heavy spoilers about the game's lore' or 'this article is a stub'. Essentially, they are metadata for an article - communicating the status of that article, rather than being article content itself.

    Wikia-Flags

    Flags!

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    A sample flags dialog

    What does it do?

    With Flags, the notice templates are be separated out from the article content and given their own management tool. They still use the exact same templates as before (and you can continue to create new ones and update existing templates, just as you do today) - but now users can browse, add and remove them without resorting to fairly specific knowledge of how the varied templates work.

    By adding a quick layer of data to these templates, communities will have more control over which notices appear to which people (e.g. an Spoiler notice would be relevant to all readers, but a Stub notice may only be relevant to logged-in contributors.) The layer of data would also allow for custom reports via Insights (e.g. an Insight list of all pages that have a stub flag.) The content of these templates will no longer clutter Google and on-Wikia search results, and we’ll be able to display abbreviated versions of the notices on mobile phones.

    Other potential ideas include mobile users easily being able to mark pages that need work (e.g. you notice a page is full of typos, and flag it for yourself or others to improve), or even modifying how the page behaves based on the flags (e.g. hiding spoiler article text from on-Wikia search results). If you have more ideas around this, we’d love to hear them!

    How can you help?

    We have been working on a simple version of the Flags tool, which is already live on a few communities, such as Maze Runner Wiki, 007 Wiki and Red Dead Wiki. We're really interested to see how it works on active, smart communities like yours, to help us understand how it works in real-world environments.

    Any and all feedback on how it works will be invaluable, and will likely strongly influence future development in this area.

    What would enabling it mean for your community?

    We'll automatically convert usages of notice templates to the new type of code. (If it needs to be reversed, this is possible.) Afterwards, you'd use a new option on the 'Edit' button dropdown to choose which flags should appear on an article.

    You can view the current flags setup for your community on Special:Flags. This can't be edited yet (we're working on that functionality), but we're happy to make tweaks to it in the meantime.

    You can read more detail about how exactly the tool works on Help:Flags!

    The tool is under heavy development right now, and more abilities and options will be added as and when they are completed.

    So - we'd love to hear your thoughts! We'll keep an eye on this thread for any feedback you may have.

    Thanks!

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    • Hello (again!) Kirkburn, this sounds freakin ingeniously awesome, I personally want it asap.

      Everything looks pretty well thought-out so not much concerns from me atm, some initial questions are:

      • Will flags interfere with transclusions? Say transcluding a page with flags in it.
      • So does "Contributor" means logged-on users?
      • Need customization option in the Flag page asap. A few templates listed there are part of content.
      • edit: does the WikiaBot erase the existing template codes when this goes live? If so we'd have to finalize the Special:Flag page before using the bot.
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    • ChickenBar wrote:
      Hello (again!) Kirkburn, this sounds freakin ingeniously awesome, I personally want it asap.

      Everything looks pretty well thought-out so not much concerns from me atm.

      I concur!

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    • Hey - great to hear how keen you are on the feature!

      For your questions

      • Transcluding pages with flags: honestly, this isn't a scenario that has previously come up. From a quick test, the answer is: no, they don't carry across. Are there situations where this would affect your community?
      • Contributors: currently, flags would not show on mobile devices, and desktop anons do not see 'contributor' flags. Feedback on this behaviour is appreciated!
      • Sp:Flags: If you need some tweaks to the settings list, just let us know here - we can make manual updates to it, before the customization options are live.
      • WikiaBot: yeah, basically it moves the code off of the page. Indeed, you would want Sp:Flags to be accurate before the switch.
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    • im gonna watch this, might be a good idea

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      • Ok that should work as we intended. One example would be Nervos Mine being transcluded in Corrupted Vor, or this revision being transcluded in Excalibur/Abilities. I also notice we can't flag other templates, which we sometimes do but that's fine since most casual editors won't be messing with templates anyways.
      • Sounds good, this behavior makes sense.
      • Pretty much all and only the templates in Category:Article_management_templates can be considered as flags, except {{Ambox}}, which is like the template of templates. So {{Codex}}, {{For}}, {{Main}} should be removed and {{NotOpen}} should be added.
      • a'ight

      edit: {{Ambox}} is used in most notice templates as a skeleton, but also used in articles as custom notice, should it be converted as flag?

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    • Thanks! I'll ask for the Flags setup to be updated.

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    • A+ :)

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    • Just so I can clarify: Will this change make flags a more obvious and easily accessed feature to a casual Wikia browser like myself? I have seen some articles that I wanted to flag, but was unable to find how in any simple or timely fashion. 

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    • Knight of glory's rise wrote: Just so I can clarify: Will this change make flags a more obvious and easily accessed feature to a casual Wikia browser like myself? I have seen some articles that I wanted to flag, but was unable to find how in any simple or timely fashion. 

      Go to this page on the Maze Runner wiki, click the Edit  dropdown on the top left below the name of the article ("Banishment"), and click the "Flags" option. I think it looks pretty easily accessible for casual users.

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    • With yesterday's update, you can also simply hover over existing flags, and an 'Edit flags' link will appear to the top right! We've also expanded Help:Flags with more detail.

      We've updated the list on Special:Flags - how does it look for you guys now? (Edit: actually, looks like this hasn't quite updated just yet - sorry)

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    • Thanks! Yup looks fine to me. Could also remove {{PolicyNotice}} too as it's only used in policy pages.

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    • Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you only made it easier and quicker for people to apply flags, and allow them to search for pages with a certain flag? The latter at least would be helpful cleaning up the complete weapon pages that are labeled as incomplete.

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    • Voltman wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you only made it easier and quicker for people to apply flags, and allow them to search for pages with a certain flag? The latter at least would be helpful cleaning up the complete weapon pages that are labeled as incomplete.

      It looks like the flags will still apply categories to pages like normal templates do. e.g. w:c:jamesbond:Hong Kong with the flag Stub and being categorized into the Stub cat.

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    • ChickenBar wrote:

      Voltman wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you only made it easier and quicker for people to apply flags, and allow them to search for pages with a certain flag? The latter at least would be helpful cleaning up the complete weapon pages that are labeled as incomplete.

      It looks like the flags will still apply categories to pages like normal templates do. e.g. w:c:jamesbond:Hong Kong with the flag Stub and being categorized into the Stub cat.

      Thanks for the clarification.

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    • Voltman wrote: Thanks for the clarification.

      You're welcome :)

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    • Indeed, the behaviour of article code should be unchanged - categories inserted via Flag templates still behave as before (at least, they should - it's slightly off atm, and we're working on it as a priority).

      A wide variety of bug fixes and tweaks will be coming with tomorrow's site update - for you, the most important will be that you can double-check the list of planned parameters on Special:Flags.

      It sounds like you may be interested in trying out the feature this week? Is that a fair assessment?

      Edit: @ChickenBar, I've requested another Sp:Flags update regarding PolicyNotice.

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    • Yup I say good to go, looking forward to it.

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    • Okay - I will communicate this to the team, and we will look at getting this enabled as soon as tomorrow :)

      Edit: actually, we can start this right now. I'l giving our technical team the go-ahead! It'll take a little while for the WikiaBot to run through all the articles - progress can be seen on Special:RecentChanges, if you switch on showing bot changes.

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    • Already talked about this with TOR in wikichat, just wanted to bring everybody else up to speed/to every-bodies attention:

      We were looking at {{GuideExhort}} and were wondering whether or not to flaggify (confirmed word by TOR) it or not. Apparently flags cannot be specificly applied to section headers alone, but rather only apply to entire pages for now, so we decided we were better off not to flaggify this template yet.

      However, this template isn't the only flag-esque (confirmed word by me) template we use on specific headers. Sometimes it's useful to put {{UpdateMe}} or {{Speculation}} tags on specific sections because they may not apply to the rest of the page. So here's my vote cast for some future version of flags to be capable of being applied to specific sections (or maybe anywhere on the page we want?? although idk how this would differ from just using templates anymore at that point).

      TOR said this might not be the easiest thing to do from a coding standpoint, so those of us in the chat finally agreed on a siege of zalgo orbital ion cannons for our protest weapon of choice <3

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    • We could always resort to their template form for now, I mean wikiabot also seems smart enough to leave the those mid-section templates alone.

      @Kirkburn re:PolicyNotice: ye it's not a big deal but the template is only used in Policy articles as a permanent notice, so there's little use to leave them in the flags checklist. Would appreciate if you can update the list again but I don't know if it's possible to tell the bot to revert the edits on these specific policy pages (nevermind bot didn't bot the Project: namespace, derp). Also same thing for {{VoidLock}}, could un-flag that too as it's supposed to be a permanent notice too. (we'll add the templates back ourselves as there are only two pages, no need to bot)

      Finally any chance we can modify the style without breaking ToS? Specifically we (as in the peeps in wikichat) don't think the mouse-over Edit Flag link is necessary, so if possible we'd prefer to remove that along with the blank margin at the top.

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    • Brizingr5 wrote:
      Already talked about this with TOR in wikichat, just wanted to bring everybody else up to speed/to every-bodies attention:

      We were looking at {{GuideExhort}} and were wondering whether or not to flaggify (confirmed word by TOR) it or not. Apparently flags cannot be specificly applied to section headers alone, but rather only apply to entire pages for now, so we decided we were better off not to flaggify this template yet.

      However, this template isn't the only flag-esque (confirmed word by me) template we use on specific headers. Sometimes it's useful to put {{UpdateMe}} or {{Speculation}} tags on specific sections because they may not apply to the rest of the page. So here's my vote cast for some future version of flags to be capable of being applied to specific sections (or maybe anywhere on the page we want?? although idk how this would differ from just using templates anymore at that point).

      TOR said this might not be the easiest thing to do from a coding standpoint, so those of us in the chat finally agreed on a siege of zalgo orbital ion cannons for our protest weapon of choice <3

      Likewise, or we can keep both at the same time, Flags and Template and it won't be a problem.

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    • Just to confirm, you'd like "VoidLock" taken off the list of Flags? Looking at Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:VoidLock, it doesn't appear to be used on any articles at the moment - is this correct? (If not, let us know - it could be an indication of a bug).

      Regarding sections and the behaviour of the tool: we only check the first section of a page (before any headings), which is why section templates aren't affected.

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    • Yup. VoidLock is only used in Orokin Void/ByRewards and Orokin Void/ByMissions as a permanent PSA template. And yea I was wondering why isn't whatlinkshere showing the two pages too.

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    • Thanks for the links - I'm making the team aware, and we'll look into what's causing that.

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    • ChickenBar wrote: Finally any chance we can modify the style without breaking ToS? Specifically we (as in the peeps in wikichat) don't think the mouse-over Edit Flag link is necessary, so if possible we'd prefer to remove that along with the blank margin at the top.

      We would prefer that it wasn't modified at the moment - it'll muddy the feedback we get. However, we're actually planning some tweaks to that link already! Specifically, we also dislike the additional blank height the 'Edit flags' link adds, and are looking to make it hover over the Flags instead. This change should be live as soon as this Thursday.

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    • Ohh that's good to hear. Other than that I think it works out pretty nicely.

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    • ChickenBar wrote: Yup. VoidLock is only used in Orokin Void/ByRewards and Orokin Void/ByMissions as a permanent PSA template. And yea I was wondering why isn't whatlinkshere showing the two pages too.

      http://puu.sh/iA7IW.jpg because it's been flagged already, it's not actually transcluded to the page

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    • Brizingr5 wrote:

      ChickenBar wrote: Yup. VoidLock is only used in Orokin Void/ByRewards and Orokin Void/ByMissions as a permanent PSA template. And yea I was wondering why isn't whatlinkshere showing the two pages too.

      http://puu.sh/iA7IW.jpg because it's been flagged already, it's not actually transcluded to the page

      Kirkburn wrote: Just to confirm, you'd like "VoidLock" taken off the list of Flags? Looking at Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:VoidLock, it doesn't appear to be used on any articles at the moment - is this correct? (If not, let us know - it could be an indication of a bug).

      edit: and [1]. looks like none of the flags here works with whatlinkshere for some reason.

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    • Yeah, flags should work with WhatLinksHere (and other related stats) - but something doesn't seem to be quite right here. We're going to look into it.

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    • Can we hide some of the current flags? Since as far as I see, some of our tempaltes aren't particularly useful outside of Admin situations such as Archived HomePage and Archived Template.

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    • Aye, we can remove more flags from the list - just give us a specific list :) We can then restore them, and return the articles to using the old wikitext version.

      On that topic, VoidLock has been removed from the list of flags, and I just restored its previous usage on Orokin Void/ByRewards and Orokin Void/ByMissions.

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    • much appreciated!

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    • Oh, the flags feature can't be modified by the wiki admins, it has to go all the way to the top? Unless that's purely because we're in beta phase, and we can edit flags freely once it rolls out live?

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    • it's because it's in beta. it says so in op.

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    • > mfw someone actually reads op

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      Joking aside, I'm quite happy with the Edit Flags link being in line with the ambox itself.

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    • ey i concur

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    • Grunni wrote:
      Oh, the flags feature can't be modified by the wiki admins, it has to go all the way to the top? Unless that's purely because we're in beta phase, and we can edit flags freely once it rolls out live?

      Just to confirm - yes, Special:Flags will be editable by admins in the future. We'll be working on adding that functionality soon. In the meantime, it's not too difficult for us (Wikia Staff) to make tweaks to your existing setup.

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    • A Lone Tenno
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