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  • when i buy a ps4? and wanna play warframe,   i want to choose loki as first warframe. what do you think? I can choose another if you want.

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    • Loki is Very Squishy, lowest HP in the game. He's also a bit easy to farm. The boss that drops his research parts is not hard to kill. You might be better off starting as an excalibur whos harder to unlock. However it comes down to playstyle. If you want to be sneaky/deploy decoys everywhere do it!

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    • I'm have all the frames and I'm leveling them all to 30. I'm on loki right now and while he is fun to use and be a troll with he is easier to farm than cal. I'd suggest getting cal as your starter unless you don't like him at all.

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    • Loki honestly isn't that great as people who like him say he is. I picked Loki as my starter and I do enjoy him but towards higher levels his utility kit of abilities doesnt help that much when you're getting swarmed by hordes of enemies. With his low HP a good Vitality mod is needed because from experience I get focused alot for some reason which can be countered with a decoy but it isn't fun to spam decoys everywhere. I play my Loki with high Vitality, Redirection, and Fast Deflection while the rest are either power mods or sprint mods. He's pretty great for Void runs as he can bypass many of the secret rooms by switch teleporting with his decoy but other than that he depends more on his weapons and when you run out of ammo you're gonna die in a crowd of enemies. Just my opinions, im working towards Frost Prime :D

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    • It's actually the opposite. Loki isnt very useful lower levels but becomes a lot more useful at higher levels. A lvl 100 heavy gunner with no gun is useless. It's a matter of creative play. I use stretch mod to maximize the disarm, decoy and teleport range. With Loki you need to run and gun a lot or turn invisible a lot.

      I also use Flow, Streamline and Continuity.

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    • I do the same kind of thing. loki is about knowing what is the problem and how to fix it fast. heavy grineer? disarm. boss? invis and decoy. enemies holding down an area? invis then switch teleport into the middle. he is for advanced players but people treat him like another cal or other frame that can stand easily. he relies on his abilities but no one but the good players know when to use them.

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    • I picked Loki as my starter, and he's still my favorite. His gameplay is alot different than your typical nuker. His ult is amazing for corpus aand grineer; although, I find it utterly useless vs infested. In defense missions, just make sure decoy never goes out and you'll be fine. And in other missions, like for Voids just keep casting invis and you'll breeze right through. Personally only mods you need is Redirection, streamline, and continuity. I never run out of energy so there's no need for flow.

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    • ^His ult one shots infested chargers and was meant to dismember any runners. Though recently it bugged out and only dismembers them now but they can still run like normal. It still does tremendous damage against chargers.

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    • 69.65.66.116 wrote:
      Loki honestly isn't that great as people who like him say he is. I picked Loki as my starter and I do enjoy him but towards higher levels his utility kit of abilities doesnt help that much when you're getting swarmed by hordes of enemies. With his low HP a good Vitality mod is needed because from experience I get focused alot for some reason which can be countered with a decoy but it isn't fun to spam decoys everywhere. I play my Loki with high Vitality, Redirection, and Fast Deflection while the rest are either power mods or sprint mods. He's pretty great for Void runs as he can bypass many of the secret rooms by switch teleporting with his decoy but other than that he depends more on his weapons and when you run out of ammo you're gonna die in a crowd of enemies. Just my opinions, im working towards Frost Prime :D

      Loki is a great frame, but requires a lot of mods and resources to make really good. The more you have available for mods, the more Loki is viable as the best of the three starter frames. When You run out of Ammo, I suggest using invisibility and using youre Melee. Loki does a ton of damage while invisible with melee.Decoy spamming shouldnt be neccesary if you are invisible 100% of the time Loki does VERY good in a crowd of enemies, and isnt meant to be utilized at only long/mid ranges. I suggest usin a weapon with high charge damage if you're having trouble with enemies (Andif you're not using melee charge attacks, I have bad news for you....). That said, Excal is a good frame to start out with, because grinding on pluto is monotony. As of this post, the boss almost never drops Excal parts, so he is hard as hell to grind for. Mag is just meh.... not the worst, but not the best either. Also, her helmets look meh. So either Loki or Excalibur would be a great choice for a starter

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    • True. I highly recommand Excalibur as a starter as he is balanced and it is really easy to have fun with him. Even if you don't have a lot of mods. But I have chosent Loki as a started and I got some hard times as I was only begining it took me a bit of time to understand how to use his skills, and to find the mods he really needs, such as streamline, continuity or strech. And yes, the last and very important point is that whatever you will want to make in this game, you will have to farm the boss that gives Loki's part, so even if you don't want to try him someday you will have the parts anyway.

      Ah, and start to consider Mag. She is actually the weakest warframe but it is now official that she will get a serious rework on her for the 9.0 and their objective is clearly to make all the frames maybe not as strong as the godlike Vauban, but really strong anyway.

      But don't forget, whatever is your choice, you will certainly have fun anyway ;)

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    • i prefer the ash just because it feels more tanky and that is good for solo were as loki skills help more to team work

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    • LoL ? loki skills help team work wow you dont know anything about loki i playd all the time solo and i solo all bosses (not neptune boss) and when i got ash i dident like him and sold him

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    • Loki is the worst Warframe in my personal opinion. Aside from his 4th spell and being able to swap with his decoy, everything he does another stronger frame can do better. Positioning isn't really that hard on most maps anyway making his swap pretty useless in the end, his decoy isn't as strong as Saryn's and she can deal a lot of damage as well as being extremely tanky. His 4th spell isn't really that great in the end, compared to Rhino's stomp ( his 4th spell ) or Vauban's anti-grav field. ( his 3rd spell )

      On the starters the Excalibur is probably the best pick. He has average stats, 300 max health and shields ( Loki has 225 max health and shields ), 150 max energy ( Loki has 225 max energy. but his spells are sort of useless so what's the point )

      His first spell is a charge called "Slash Dash" dealing 1000 damage at max level and going quite a long distance damaging enemies between the start and end location, one of the strongest 1st spells in the game.

      An aoe blind spell, great for reviving people or catching a break, is almost as strong as Loki's 4th for half the energy cost.

      His 3rd spell is a high jump, sort of useless, but could be fun to play around with.

      His 4th spell fires out javelins that deal 1000 damage each and enemies can take damage from more than one javelin, but they cannot hit more than one enemy or go through objects. Still extremely powerful if you can hit a tanky enemy with 2-3 of them.

      Basically don't get Loki as a starter because he's not that great for giving a good impression of the game or actually being any good. The only stat Loki has higher than other frames is the sprint speed and that's nothing to write home about. I highly recomend Excalibur and Mag. Mag has above average shield capacity at 450 max level, but lower hp at 225 max level. Literally any other frame is better than Loki. Banshee is another one you want to stay away from like the plague. Feel free to get them to level up your mastery rank, but don't seriously use them. Vauban, Frost and Nyx are currently the strongest frames in my opinion, with Saryn, Ember and Rhino as good alternates. Note that Ember's spell damage isn't very high on Gineer and Corpus enemies, but it's massive on Infested. Her 4th spell is also quite strong against all factions anyway.

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    • ^

      Obviously you have never used invisibility + melee with loki.

      200% charge damage is most definitely an advantage


      And as for banshee, have you ever tried max focus + sonar on ANY BOSS?

      2-6 shot kill.

      Good day sir :P

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    • Loki was my starter warframe and i sold him a long time ago. Sadly, i didnt make any good use of most of his abilities. I think "Disarm" in tier 3 void missions would be devasting, because the enemies(especially heavy gunners) have tons of health but are defenseless without guns. For stealth gameplay, i prefer Ash.

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    • honestly, if you start out with loki before anyone else, you WILL become better at the game overall. i say this because loki is the literal underdog out of all he frames as for as power out in ablilties. he does no damage what so ever. so what that phase "if you cant outgun em, outthink em." and thats exactly what the "true ninja" aspect of this game is. what i will tell oyu because i still my loki in the essence form (he is the leader of my frames) is that the best combo i have found starting off is lokis favorite guns which are strun, afuris and bo. try that out and tell me how you like it man lol.

      STRENGTH, TENNO!!!

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    • Loki was my starter Warframe. His powers are not as useless as most people think. And also, the play style you will acquire from playing him as your starter will help a lot when you get stronger Warframes. He is fragile, so I had to learn which spots to position myself into to get the least amount of damage while most beginners just tank and go Rambo. I also learned how to be patient and stealthy. Loki will also teach you efficiency.

      I know he isn;t that strong as a Warframe, but you can learn a lot from him. So I suggest you choose Loki if you want to learn how to play smart.

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    • I picked Loki as the starter warframe, and when I was around rank 10, I could do 60% damage in a team of 3, or 50% with another guy who had four rank 30 warframes. One of the best and safest ways to kill non infested enemies is to go invisible and melee. Loki is great for soloing, as you can hide or run from any fight you cant win.

      And although Loki is fragile, you don't have to stay away from your enemies shooting your guns, just charge or teleport there and start chopping them. When shield is low, just drop a decoy or go invisible to regenerate. You have 9 decoys and that should be enough for you to survive any fight. You definitely dont need vitality mods.

      However, a serious problem of this warframe is that it is rather useless against the infested without sufficient survivability or any AOE offensive skills. You can draw all the enemies to one place with a decoy, but you won't be able to do anything about them afterwards. Poison and runners can still harm you when you are invisible. Therefore, unless you are really good, don't solo high tier infected missions with a Loki.

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    • Loki with drone and Ogris seems a good way to get rid of infested. They will gather around the drone and you will finish them off with one or two rockets. Im going to try this out in a few days.

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    • i personally prefe rto just use dread with thunderbolt over ogris, but i wouldn't now wich is better (prefference i would think)...Anyway people who actually think loki is bad have not played him to his full potential, decoy is one of the best skills in game and is actually essential for wave 50+defense missions ( or u need nyx).Combine that with the fact that he can solo all missions (perma invis isn't hard to do) and u can revive super easily ( again invis/tele), whike he destroys most tier 3 void enemies...I really don't know what more u can want from a frame. A clan member once polledus wich four skills we would put on a frame if we could choose and his decoy came up the most of all skills in game (close with chaos). I do agree he's probably not a good starter frame thoughand I still don't know why they would give put him there as a choice...

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    • 93.231.188.43 wrote:
      when i buy a ps4? and wanna play warframe,   i want to choose loki as first warframe. what do you think? I can choose another if you want.


      Loki is very hard to start. Well-leveled Deflection and Vitality are a must. You have no damage-producing powers, so it's a pain to solo. You'll do okay against Grineer and Corpus, but infested solo is a problem.

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    • Loki... If there was ever a Warframe in this game, made to take violent advantage of any real piece of gear, it's this one. Because all of his damage is literally gear dependent, that means a well stocked armoury will allow you to gear for any mission type. Infested giving you issues? If you haven't built a Dual Ether at this point, with Loki, then you sir, need your head checked. Those blades are all the AoE Loki will ever need to take an infested mission, and treat it like a bad joke.


      As a solo frame? I've yet to find another frame that can clear a mission faster, and with more efficiency, you can clock 400 kills in ceres without any issues at all provided you thought ahead, and brought the right gear, preferable heavy armour pen and something with a nasty charge attack (Personally, I use Furax)  Disarm is great for when you're getting mauled by way too many ranged weapons, but if that's the case, you probably made a serious mistake somewhere and are in a position you never should have been in in the first place!

      I use Redirection, Fast Deflection, and Vitality, followed by Flow, Invis, Marathon, Rush, and Quick Rest. This gives Loki unmatchable speed, allowing you to engage and disengage at will WITHOUT abilities, more then enough energy to stay invisible for a truly horrifying amount of time, and enough health and shields to see him through mistakes. On Invis alone, you can clear any map, with any boss, on just your melee attacks (Barring Jackal and Hyena because of that annoying knockback stomp) and you can do it faster then you ever could with any other frame. It's high risk, high reward with Loki, and if you're not willing to get your hands dirty, you should wander on back to your Mag and spam 4 until you feel better :P


      Got too many enemies to melee down in a single invis? It happens, pull out your primary or secondary, and lay waste to everything around you in the time you have where they wont retaliate, you'll clear a room like it's a bad joke and the enemies owe you money, and never, will you ever, be accused of hiding behind an instant room clearing nuke based I Win button. Loki is perhaps the strongest frame, bar none, because his opponents never get a chance to fight back.


      All that being said, Loki is incredibly slow to start, especially as your first frame, because, as I mentioned, his damage is ENTIRELY GEAR DEPENDENT, and the MK-1 Braton, and Lato, simply don't pack the punch he needs, though the Skana will see you through the worst of it if you're careful. But he scales up incredibly well, and although many may despise the weapons for being "OP" the Kunai and Despair, as well as the Paris, and the Dread, work very very well on Loki, as he can take his time, aim with this horrifyingly powerful weapons, and make every shot count, as well as being able to dump knives while invisible into any crowd of enemies from point blank to mid range, and kill them all, without ever presenting a target. Decoy is very very nice for Defense, though I prefer Ember for those myself (Overheat is broken man O.o) And Switch Tele, and Disarm are great TEAM abilities, I've never had call to use either in a solo run, unless I'm doing a void mission, and need to be able to port myself around with my decoy, or I'm lazy and want to blink my way to extraction (Which works quite well).


      Flat out? You'll never match a good Loki's damage output, it simply wont happen, maybe there's a reason he's the squishiest of all the frames... hrm... in the name of balance... wonder why that would be.... he couldn't possibly be THE glass cannon, his abilities don't do any damage!..... wait a minute..... Invis bonuses are percentage based? Which means they can only scale up with gear? No way... Just a minute folks... turns out... Yup! It's True! Congratulations! Loki is the ONLY warframe, with no hard damage ceiling.

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    • I am going to build Loki, I took Mag(30) as a starter and I Actually have a 30 Rhino!

      Mag: Overpowerd Ult(Stretch Mod), Good Creativ, Much Energy needed.

      Rhino: Simple to play, impossible to kill, cool abilities if maxed, his q is qual to cal if you max it,

      Loki: Seems intressting, more difficult, good farmer(i need one!), good creativ, no real damage ability(except ult on a view enemys)

      Decide on your own, i say Rhino is the best tank but he really need a orokin reactor

      Mag is kinda a mage :D

      And Loki a assassin!

      Decide on your own which word is your favorite :D

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    • I now have Rhino, but Loki was my starter frame (I accidentaly sold it a few months ago, but I'm building it again) . It was really really hard at first, because the wepons (MK1 Braton and Lato) didn't do very much damage, so I had to rely on Skana most of the time. However, despite everyone saying that a shotgun is the best for Loki, I bought a Snipetron. The sniper rifle playstyle alllowed to place a decoy near the door to open them and then just easily kill everyone from range.

      Contrary to a popular belief, Loki is very good against infested. Personally, I used Ether Daggers (daggers, not the Dual Ether) all the time against them while being invisible thus getting 200% (lowered to 150% damage in a recent update) damage bonus. The only big problem were the ancients, but they could be taken out with the Snipetron.

      On a defense mission Loki truly shines at directing enemies away from pod/reactor with his decoy. Then either you or your teammates can finish them off.

      Solo missions are also relatively easy when using Loki. One can shoot as long as they have shields and when health starts getting damaged, turning invisible and slashing everyone with a preferred melee weapon.

      To sum up, although Loki doesn't have direct damage abilities, such as Radial Javelin or Slash Dash and the damage it does it strictly limited to weapons, he can either be a good team supporter or a great solo warframe, if you have patience to kill everyone while they are attacking your decoy.

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    • I'd go into detail but it'd take all day

      Loki is an amazing frame. I rarely even take damage when I play him, drop a decoy, invisibility, maybe a disarm to ball the baddies up. Then lay into them with a melee weapon 

      Yeah, he's squishy. But his skills are built around making up for that. He isn't like a lot of other frames who have skills that just do raw damage, or even specifically affect the enemy. His skills are about complimenting weaponry.


      Invis boosts your melee damage, makes enemies ignore you and lets you fire off a few shots at a big guy without having to worry about being staggered or taking much damage etc

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    • 93.215.18.139 wrote:
      I am going to build Loki, I took Mag(30) as a starter and I Actually have a 30 Rhino!

      Mag: Overpowerd Ult(Stretch Mod), Good Creativ, Much Energy needed.

      Rhino: Simple to play, impossible to kill, cool abilities if maxed, his q is qual to cal if you max it,

      Loki: Seems intressting, more difficult, good farmer(i need one!), good creativ, no real damage ability(except ult on a view enemys)

      Decide on your own, i say Rhino is the best tank but he really need a orokin reactor

      Mag is kinda a mage :D

      And Loki a assassin!

      Decide on your own which word is your favorite :D

      I now have Loki and I have to tell, he is funny to play.

      But he is bad til he is well moded, especially if the Weaponary isnt that well.

      Take Excali as a starter. He is more difficult to farm later (his boss is a beast) and better if you dont have perfectly moded weapons.

      You can build Loki later.

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    • Loki was my starter warframe, and I am never going to sell it. Loki is /the/ most item-dependent frame but only for damage output - his abilities and item dependence mean he can fit into any role you want him to play. His item dependence and the complete utility of his skills are his greatest strengths. Getting swarmed by gunners? Disarm. Need to get into the middle of an enemy fireteam? Switch out their biggest unit for your allies to 3-on-1, and wreak havoc in the crowds. Too much dakka coming in? Drop a decoy and save your team.

      Invisibility has /got/ to be his best skill. Looking to cut down infested? Kit him with a melee weapon that with an AoE charge. Go invi, and if the AI could cry, it would. Heavy Gunners pinning down your team? Assassinate with invi, or warp one into your allies with Switch while you slaughter the other one in melee. Fallen ally in the middle of an enemy horde and is bleeding out? You can revive them in complete safety while invisible. Friend getting melee'd by the Stalker? Swap him out.

      He's /not/ weak against crowds. Invi with an AoE charge attack smites the opposition. He's a massive aid for teams on defense missions as well - the Decoy draws in so much aggro you can cut off two or three entrances as the enemy swarms around the fake - it's practically an extra defender. On top of that, it ties up so many enemies that any allied AoE nuker can wipe the floor in a single shot. You won't get that neat 200 on your kill count at the end of the mission, but you'll definitely make the life of your team easier. About the only thing a Loki can't do is kill every unit in a 30m radius with a single ult - he has to slice them all down manually while invisible, or with a decoy. Still, his versatility more than makes up for that.

      So what role do you want to fill on your team? Support? Assassin? Crowd Control? A Loki can do all of that, and even play medic for your Excalibur teammate when it Dashes into a fight it can't handle.

      -Baldeale

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    • Baldeale wrote:
      Loki was my starter warframe, and I am never going to sell it. Loki is /the/ most item-dependent frame but only for damage output - his abilities and item dependence mean he can fit into any role you want him to play. His item dependence and the complete utility of his skills are his greatest strengths. Getting swarmed by gunners? Disarm. Need to get into the middle of an enemy fireteam? Switch out their biggest unit for your allies to 3-on-1, and wreak havoc in the crowds. Too much dakka coming in? Drop a decoy and save your team.

      Invisibility has /got/ to be his best skill. Looking to cut down infested? Kit him with a melee weapon that with an AoE charge. Go invi, and if the AI could cry, it would. Heavy Gunners pinning down your team? Assassinate with invi, or warp one into your allies with Switch while you slaughter the other one in melee. Fallen ally in the middle of an enemy horde and is bleeding out? You can revive them in complete safety while invisible. Friend getting melee'd by the Stalker? Swap him out.

      He's /not/ weak against crowds. Invi with an AoE charge attack smites the opposition. He's a massive aid for teams on defense missions as well - the Decoy draws in so much aggro you can cut off two or three entrances as the enemy swarms around the fake - it's practically an extra defender. On top of that, it ties up so many enemies that any allied AoE nuker can wipe the floor in a single shot. You won't get that neat 200 on your kill count at the end of the mission, but you'll definitely make the life of your team easier. About the only thing a Loki can't do is kill every unit in a 30m radius with a single ult - he has to slice them all down manually while invisible, or with a decoy. Still, his versatility more than makes up for that.

      So what role do you want to fill on your team? Support? Assassin? Crowd Control? A Loki can do all of that, and even play medic for your Excalibur teammate when it Dashes into a fight it can't handle.

      -Baldeale


      Well, hello there, elf from the Fairy woods. You wrote a piece of piss that looks so theoretically we can synthesize an ideal gas on it. Seriously, disarm don't kill people and one latron with freeze will do more in half of the time to drop off the heat than fancy disarm that needs to be delivered via your friggin legs. Decoy got killed in one hit against strong enemies and without extensive use of exploits with textures and walls it's good for nothing. Situation when your squadmate needs to teleport? At first, I doubt that Loki would even be on the place to use it properly. At second, you won't draw Stalker's agro out and your swap will only ruin everything since distance cause stalker either use slash dash or tele to your "saved" buddy and kill him via charged attack while simple sliding from the stalker solves about 85% of stalker problem. Also, most likely, the one injured in the middle of crowd will be... dumb-ass Loki! He's got absolutely no protection against CC, so he's getting pwned in swarms. And then whole team should risk to break a bulb to heal him? No way. I usually heal others but Loki is the last on my list for a reason.

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    • 176.108.195.155 wrote:


      Well, hello there, elf from the Fairy woods. You wrote a piece of piss that looks so theoretically we can synthesize an ideal gas on it. Seriously, disarm don't kill people and one latron with freeze will do more in half of the time to drop off the heat than fancy disarm that needs to be delivered via your friggin legs. Decoy got killed in one hit against strong enemies and without extensive use of exploits with textures and walls it's good for nothing. Situation when your squadmate needs to teleport? At first, I doubt that Loki would even be on the place to use it properly. At second, you won't draw Stalker's agro out and your swap will only ruin everything since distance cause stalker either use slash dash or tele to your "saved" buddy and kill him via charged attack while simple sliding from the stalker solves about 85% of stalker problem. Also, most likely, the one injured in the middle of crowd will be... dumb-ass Loki! He's got absolutely no protection against CC, so he's getting pwned in swarms. And then whole team should risk to break a bulb to heal him? No way. I usually heal others but Loki is the last on my list for a reason.

      Disarm does kill. Ask the Grineer. Disarm will get rid of the heat faster than any weapon, and if reach is your problem, Mod+Helmet. Problem Solved.

      Decoy has never been OHK'd in all the time I've used it, and by the time Decoy dies, me and my Team are either solving the problem, or already bolted from there. Defense missions are dealt with quickly, since Decoy pulls all the enemies into one neat little mob that can be hit with any AoE and destroyed. Speaking of defense missions, Decoy can pull the heat off your protection target.

      Decoy + Invisibility + Good Melee Weapon = Loki doesn't get mobbed, cleans up nicely. Loki is item-dependant, and there's nothing wrong with that.

      Just because you are a lame Loki or have played with lame Loki doesn't mean Loki is lame.

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    • One word, Radial Disarm..


      ..oh, thats two

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    • love loki users. wouldn't be the person i am today with out loki users. they glitch, and find ways around anyproblem. sure i it isn't my style and every time i use it i dispise the thing. but i remeber before update 8 when there was a extermination glitch and every darn time at l;east one dor was cosed and wouldnt open allowing us to kill the enemies inside, when ver there was a loki they would use thir trusty decoy and shoot the bastards behind the doos. so to all u loki users. i luv u all.

      good day

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    • 176.108.195.155 wrote:
      Well, hello there, elf from the Fairy woods. You wrote a piece of piss that looks so theoretically we can synthesize an ideal gas on it. Seriously, disarm don't kill people and one latron with freeze will do more in half of the time to drop off the heat than fancy disarm that needs to be delivered via your friggin legs. Decoy got killed in one hit against strong enemies and without extensive use of exploits with textures and walls it's good for nothing. Situation when your squadmate needs to teleport? At first, I doubt that Loki would even be on the place to use it properly. At second, you won't draw Stalker's agro out and your swap will only ruin everything since distance cause stalker either use slash dash or tele to your "saved" buddy and kill him via charged attack while simple sliding from the stalker solves about 85% of stalker problem. Also, most likely, the one injured in the middle of crowd will be... dumb-ass Loki! He's got absolutely no protection against CC, so he's getting pwned in swarms. And then whole team should risk to break a bulb to heal him? No way. I usually heal others but Loki is the last on my list for a reason.

      Decoy - Then don't place it out in the open? Hello? *hand waves* Drop it between a couple of boxes, or behind boxes. Put your decoy in weird places so that mobs try to get there and go WTF HOW DO in the process.

      Radial Disarm - Deliver it with Switch Teleport, bro. Swap with a high-value target for your allies to pick off, and bewilder the mob. I will admit that it's pointless against Infested. But if you really insist on delivering it manually, you can sprint -> slide -> flip -> jump attack to do it.

      Stalker Swapping - Which is why you swap from a distance, onto a box, or behind a door, or onto a ledge...you know, not from 5m away?

      Protection Against CC - Yes, because, you can totally get up instantly from being knocked down with a different frame. Or un-freeze yourself. And invisibility totally doesn't stop you from getting damaged, and the 200% charge damage with an AoE weapon totally doesn't help with mobs. Yeah. I see your point. I'm sorry. I apologize.

      Crowds - Getting caught in a crowd is bad for /any/ frame unless you use your skills. Mag has Crush. Frost has Globe. Loki has Invisibility.

      Shitty Loki players =/= Loki is shitty. It's all about positioning.

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    • Loki is a great frame. Having maxed almost all the frames and over 300 hours of gameplay, I still believe that Loki is a great frame. Having started out with him, I have a lot of experience with him. True, he may not be the best frame in terms of damage (unless you have a good load out), but he doesn't die as often as people say he is. I rarely get downed as a Loki, and I only have one health mod on. Everything else is power stuff. The only time I get downed are to poison ancients or lasers. If you mod him right and know how to use invisibility, you can easily survive tower 3 exterminate missions without taking a scratch to your health. That being said, he isn't the best starting frame though, because you need mods such as flow and stretch to really get him going. He is pretty gear dependent though, so as long as you mod and give him good weapons, you are set. Also, knowing what the hell you are doing is nice. Otherwise you should probably use another frame, lol.

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    • loki decoy can also be used on heavy greneer all thos that stun you. if you plase a decoy right beside ennyone of them they will use the stun abilety on the decoy and you can move in melee range withouth the stun on you can help taking them down. also decoy can help vs ancient  the distruptor will use his drain on the decoy and you can use it to stop the charge from toxic which can save you and the pod on defence

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    • I'd like to start out by saying that warframes are all about picking your style of play. You choose your weapons and warframe to fit that.

      That being said, I'd like to say that everyone who has said "Loki is the worst warframe ever/he sucks" are not aware of his abilities, nor the fact that there is no worst warframe. He just simply doesn't fit your playstyle, and you don't have to make a giant rant about it. I don't go on Rhinos page and say he's super slow ass. Loki is extremely helpful whether you're playing Solo or helping out friends Online. I can solo every boss in the game so far with my Loki.

      If you haven't guessed, Loki is my favorite warframe of them all. My reasons why? He's fast, does lots of damage if done properly, and is probably the most unique in my opinion. I picked him as a starter frame because frames that say "Good for beginners" generally don't last in the long run. They get replaced by better warframes. Loki on the otherhand straight out says "Desired by ADVANCED players" Loki is definitely not good starting out, what with having no mods to help you. But if you get through that 1st week of sucking, you're rewarded with a lifetime of epic playing and lots of fast gameplay.

      Another thing I find worth mentioning are people saying he's "Doesn't have direct damage capabilities" This is true. None of his abilities (Decoy, Invisibility, Switch Teleport, Radial Disarm) damage opponents right off of the bat. But THAT IS WHY WE HAVE GUNS. Mowing down people that are swarmed right next to your Deocoy? Easy. Going around murdering everyone while invisible? Easy. Switch Teleport I'm not really a great fan of, and I usually use another mod in that spot instead. That's just my personal preference though. And Radial Disarm? It's just lovely on those high level missions. Yeah, those Fusion MOAs aint gunna do shit on your cryopod.

      Anyways, I hope you find what you were looking for. Thanks for reading!

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    • This is a great Warframe. Going from my Frost Prime and Nova to a Loki is a real shock, but trust me, I love this Warframe. I use him as more of a mission runner, and use my FP in defence. Being able to just run past every enemy in a T3 Raid or Capture is pretty nice. I perfer Loki over Ash, because while Ash is made to deal damage, he doesn't do that as well as some other warframes. His invisibility also doesn't last as long as Loki's, making him not the best option for stealth. Being used to fairly weak frames (FP is my first really tanky frame, with Ash being my first look into the durible side of things), I got used to Loki fairly quickly. He needs some good weapons, but a Dual Ether or Dual Heat Swords are all you will ever need.

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    • R3leaZ wrote:
      It's actually the opposite. Loki isnt very useful lower levels but becomes a lot more useful at higher levels. A lvl 100 heavy gunner with no gun is useless. It's a matter of creative play. I use stretch mod to maximize the disarm, decoy and teleport range. With Loki you need to run and gun a lot or turn invisible a lot.

      I also use Flow, Streamline and Continuity.

      Except a disarmed level 100 heavy gunner will oneshot your average rhino with iron skin turned on with his falcon punch of doom and darkness. Good idea if you want to make sure nobody will ever want to play with you again, I give you that.

      Loki is funny because you can run around stealthed and troll mobs at low levels, in high-end missions you usually grab something more viable or play in a team with more viable warframes.

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    • Xtakku wrote:

      Except a disarmed level 100 heavy gunner will oneshot your average rhino with iron skin turned on with his falcon punch of doom and darkness. Good idea if you want to make sure nobody will ever want to play with you again, I give you that.

      Loki is funny because you can run around stealthed and troll mobs at low levels, in high-end missions you usually grab something more viable or play in a team with more viable warframes.

      Or you could gun it down because it can't hit you outside of melee range. Not playing smart, now that's a way to make sure nobody will want to play with you.

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    • Baldeale wrote:
      Xtakku wrote:

      Except a disarmed level 100 heavy gunner will oneshot your average rhino with iron skin turned on with his falcon punch of doom and darkness. Good idea if you want to make sure nobody will ever want to play with you again, I give you that.

      Loki is funny because you can run around stealthed and troll mobs at low levels, in high-end missions you usually grab something more viable or play in a team with more viable warframes.

      Or you could gun it down because it can't hit you outside of melee range. Not playing smart, now that's a way to make sure nobody will want to play with you.

      Using Radial Disarm on a crapload of lvl80+ corrupted = not playing smart.

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    • Xtakku wrote:
      Baldeale wrote:
      Xtakku wrote:

      Except a disarmed level 100 heavy gunner will oneshot your average rhino with iron skin turned on with his falcon punch of doom and darkness. Good idea if you want to make sure nobody will ever want to play with you again, I give you that.

      Loki is funny because you can run around stealthed and troll mobs at low levels, in high-end missions you usually grab something more viable or play in a team with more viable warframes.

      Or you could gun it down because it can't hit you outside of melee range. Not playing smart, now that's a way to make sure nobody will want to play with you.
      Using Radial Disarm on a crapload of lvl80+ corrupted = not playing smart.

      So you'd rather be shot at? With them being lv80+, I'd imagine it'd be easier to fight them when all they have equipped are yardsticks.

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    • 50.92.47.192 wrote:
      Xtakku wrote:
      Baldeale wrote:
      Xtakku wrote:

      Except a disarmed level 100 heavy gunner will oneshot your average rhino with iron skin turned on with his falcon punch of doom and darkness. Good idea if you want to make sure nobody will ever want to play with you again, I give you that.

      Loki is funny because you can run around stealthed and troll mobs at low levels, in high-end missions you usually grab something more viable or play in a team with more viable warframes.

      Or you could gun it down because it can't hit you outside of melee range. Not playing smart, now that's a way to make sure nobody will want to play with you.
      Using Radial Disarm on a crapload of lvl80+ corrupted = not playing smart.
      So you'd rather be shot at? With them being lv80+, I'd imagine it'd be easier to fight them when all they have equipped are yardsticks.

      I agree with disarming them. a while back I discovered a glitch in matchaking that caused me and a loki, with our crappy guns we were leveling up, to be sent into a t3 mobile defence. only reason we won was because the loki was using radial disarm on the heavies and when there was to many mobs. sure we could have brought other frame if we planned for it but the fact is that if loki is used right he can be a very strong frame in combat.

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    • 50.92.47.192 wrote:
      So you'd rather be shot at? With them being lv80+, I'd imagine it'd be easier to fight them when all they have equipped are yardsticks.

      Yes I'd rather have a Frost use snow globe then /lol at the mobs trying to shoot us. Having a Loki use disarm would pretty much turn the situation from safe into ZOMGWTFBBQYUDOTHIS. Again, I'm not talking about low level mobs (even 50 is still low). You can pretty much use whatever abilities you want on these, but those mobs nearing level 100 can smash your face in with a single melee attack. Having freeze damage on your weapon makes for more than enough control.

      I'm not referring to "what if?" scenarios, I played Tower III Mob Def and all that, and I've cleared everything on the solar map including Pluto.

      However, I didn't mean to piss any seasoned Loki players off. If you love your Radial Disarm that much, and it works that well for you, why would you even argue with me? Just keep using it.

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    • 108.9.249.84 wrote:
      93.231.188.43 wrote:
      when i buy a ps4? and wanna play warframe,   i want to choose loki as first warframe. what do you think? I can choose another if you want.

      Loki is very hard to start. Well-leveled Deflection and Vitality are a must. You have no damage-producing powers, so it's a pain to solo. You'll do okay against Grineer and Corpus, but infested solo is a problem.

      Honestly yes he is a very hard starter but he gradually get better as enemies get harder to kill. However i think the better choice is starting with excaliber since Loki and mag are both starters that can easyily be farmed and created with eaze.... Compared to trying to get excaliber all the way in pluto >. > ( only important to a collector wanting to get all warframes :D )

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    • Sad to say, Nova overtook Loki in most cases. Nova is just raw overpowering with ridiculous range which is kinda cheap for me. And even in higher level, her priming slows enemies down AND make them take double damage. I am aware that this is useful, TOO useful that Nova will overtake every other frames.

      (And again, one reason why Nova should be nerfed)

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    • How'd Nova overtook Loki? He was already at the bottom of all Warframes going by usefulness. Molecular Prime debuff does not stack on enemies so one Nova per team will mostly be enough, as it's better to user her in conjunction with other useful Warframes (Frost, Vauban, Rhino, Banshee for the most part, maybe Trinity and Saryn too).

      No reason to nerf her as a great damage dealer is important in a Coop game and doesn't really ruin other people's day (I'm sure you're not demanding a nerf because you get pwned by Novas in duels or anything). Having said that, I think all Nova haters should be happy to have someone debuff everything to take more damage, same as Banshee does. You're not demanding a nerf for Vauban's or Frost's incredibly useful abilities (Bastille, Snow Globe) either, are you?

      Quit demanding nerfs for your teammates, seriously. A better approach would be to demand a Loki rework of sorts to make him more viable (the same goes for a couple other frames and the majority of weapons btw - or do you want to see Despair and Acrid get nerfed too? Better try and get less useful guns buffed and/or have the meta game changed).

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    • Then at the very least erase the 'double damage' or the 'slowing' factor. Or shorten the time by, I don't know, half, a quarter, etc. Because apparently a minute of 'Double Damage' is more ridiculous than any damage booster skill, compare 60 seconds to 15 seconds. (Sonar, Roar, etc)

      Bastilles and Snow Globes don't need to be nerfed -- They are useless (mostly) on their own without actual firepower.

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    • Sonar reveals weak spots that basically buff your entire team's damage by 500% as long as it's targeting those spots. Roar buffs your whole team by 50%. They stack with Molecular Prime's debuff - however, it never really lasts 60 seconds, usually much less than 10 because everything will just blow up and be gone. It's really not about the double damage, and Freeze weapons slow enemies as well so I don't see any point nerfing that, especially as it stacks with Sonar/Roar which makes them a great combo for defense. Really, there is no point at all demanding a nerf.

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    • Xtakku wrote:
      Sonar reveals weak spots that basically buff your entire team's damage by 500% as long as it's targeting those spots. Roar buffs your whole team by 50%. They stack with Molecular Prime's debuff - however, it never really lasts 60 seconds, usually much less than 10 because everything will just blow up and be gone. It's really not about the double damage, and Freeze weapons slow enemies as well so I don't see any point nerfing that, especially as it stacks with Sonar/Roar which makes them a great combo for defense. Really, there is no point at all demanding a nerf.

      There is a point, because most can agree that Nova will be the all-time best frame. And I thought DE wanted weapons of choice to be balanced, not tiered nor dominating.

      I myself don't have any problem with Nova, but apparently, Nova is the most preferred choice of all frames.

      Despair/Acrid itself is better balanced, because in raw damage, a lot of weapons came close or outdamages both.

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    • Except Nova can't take a shot for money and is utterly useless in defense unless she's backed by Frost and/or Vauban. Even if "most can agree" that Nova is the "best frame" then I suppose "most" are wrong, there's more to this than just looking at one ability of one frame while ignoring the whole meta game.

      And now you don't have any problem with Nova? Right, didn't sound like that before.

      Also, no secondary outdamages Acrid, and only Acrid outdamages Despair. Take Afuris, entirely useless. Twin Vipers as well. Actually, Dual Vastos aren't of much use either once enemies are past level 100. Lex is entirely useless too, and the list goes on and on. Nothing compares to Despair in terms of theoretical DPS and actual killspeed, and Despair itself doesn't even compare to Acrid. End of story.

      No idea what you mean by "raw damage" but I don't really care how much whatever weapon can do in theory when you still need 5 minutes to kill a level 90 corrupted with it.

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    • You know something called Redirection? (almost) Everything's fragile without it or Frost's Snow Globe. (Although Nova's the most fragile frame)

      Also, I never had a problem with Nova in the first place, I just frown that she's the best frame as they say. Annoying to hear.

      And I said raw damage, Xtakku. It literally means with no armor applied (or few), in earlier levels, there's a lot of weapons if properly modded, can outdamage Acrid. And by earlier level, I mean from Mercury to Pluto. Personal observation shows me that my DBroncos kills Ambulas faster than Acrid does (But not for Kril).

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    • Twilight053 wrote:
      You know something called Redirection? (almost) Everything's fragile without it or Frost's Snow Globe. (Although Nova's the most fragile frame)

      Also, I never had a problem with Nova in the first place, I just frown that she's the best frame as they say. Annoying to hear.

      And I said raw damage, Xtakku. It literally means with no armor applied (or few), in earlier levels, there's a lot of weapons if properly modded, can outdamage Acrid. And by earlier level, I mean from Mercury to Pluto. Personal observation shows me that my DBroncos kills Ambulas faster than Acrid does (But not for Kril).

      Nova's base shield is as low as Loki's (who is actually the most fragile frame unless he cloaks), thus Redirection won't do much. Even if maxed her shield will be gone in 1-2 shots from higher level mobs.

      I don't really know why you would even care about raw damage, I perfectly understood what it means, I just think it's pointless to talk about fictional damage. Ambulas is one of the easiest bosses in the game too despite his level, he doesn't really do much.

      Regarding Dual Broncos vs Acrid, I realize 105*8.3 is more than [25+(4*0,75*25)]*6,67, but this is completely ignoring clip size and reload speed which both affect DPS more than most people might think, not to mention the damage type (bullet vs poison) which admittedly is less important in earlier levels. I'll leave accuracy out of the discussion as it's mostly situational. Now I didn't do the math, but I'm fairly sure that actual DPS is a lot higher for the Acrid, although I'm not entirely sure about theoretical DPS.

      Be that as it may, for everything "from Mercury to Pluto" you can almost clear it all (except for defense missions past level ~20 maybe) with the beginner loadout, the later missions requiring some upgrades which you can easily afford by then, while it doesn't matter much what exactly you use - that's true.

      However, let's consider Warframes for those lower level missions: Nova oneshots stuff there, alright, but then again most (if not all except Loki) Warframes have abilities which oneshot stuff just as fine. It doesn't really make sense to say weapons are okay because most of them have "raw damage" which allows you to clear the easy stuff while applying double-standards when it comes to Warframes. Regarding the 60 seconds double damage, low level stuff won't live longer than 3 seconds usually while having that debuff applied. A Rhino using Focus and Roar will generally oneshot them with a Stomp for example.

      My point stands, it's dumb to ask for a Nova nerf. It's better to ask for less viable frames to get buffed and do the same for weapons, as I feel it's not the way it should be when we just get a weapon to level it for mastery and then sell it.

      Nova is a strong frame, but it's not like a 4 Nova setup will be viable at all - which disproves your assumption that she might "overtake" all other frames unless you mean something entirely different by that - however, you said her uber was "too useful" and that she should be nerfed, so please don't contradict yourself now saying you never really had a problem with her. There's other frames synergizing with her and that's just the way it should be. Seeing one Nova per squad isn't a bad thing, you'll generally see a Vauban and/or Frost in each of them as well, ideally in conjunction with Banshee, Rhino or Trinity, while Saryn and Ember are also far from useless. Can't say I'd find much use for Volt or Loki though.

      I think that's enough on the matter as this was actually a Loki topic. To summarize: Loki is weak, not viable in group play and simply discarded by most (although not all) players once they get another frame (if they even owned a Loki at all).

      PS: I don't even own Nova.

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    • I'm still true to myself, I do not have any problem with Nova, her skill is awesome, her ulti is epic, and she's my second favorite frame.

      However, rationally thinking, 60 seconds of double damage plus slow just doesn't fit with most buff abilities. I myself wouldn't mind if she is nerfed for rationalization, like reduce it to 30 secs or something.

      PS. And being a Nova is more boring than Fwostie. :(

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    • I picked loki as my starter and it was a tight decision between him and Volt but he was a good choice, very fast and deceptive. Don't expect to run and gun with him he's the alternative gameplay style but if that's what you like he's very good

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    • Alright, reducing the duration sounds fair, although I think it's not why most people complain about her being too strong ;p

      And yeah I can see that Loki can solo Sabotage/Raid//Capture/Deception and probably Spy, even Extermination if you take it slow, but he doesn't bring much for Defense/Mobile Defense/Assassination (except the - in endgame content - highly arguable Radial Disarm).

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    • Twilight053 wrote:
      Then at the very least erase the 'double damage' or the 'slowing' factor. Or shorten the time by, I don't know, half, a quarter, etc. Because apparently a minute of 'Double Damage' is more ridiculous than any damage booster skill, compare 60 seconds to 15 seconds. (Sonar, Roar, etc)

      Bastilles and Snow Globes don't need to be nerfed -- They are useless (mostly) on their own without actual firepower.


      its an ULTIMATE...THEY"RE SUPPOSED TO BE OP

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    • Caboose19997 wrote:
      Twilight053 wrote:
      Then at the very least erase the 'double damage' or the 'slowing' factor. Or shorten the time by, I don't know, half, a quarter, etc. Because apparently a minute of 'Double Damage' is more ridiculous than any damage booster skill, compare 60 seconds to 15 seconds. (Sonar, Roar, etc)

      Bastilles and Snow Globes don't need to be nerfed -- They are useless (mostly) on their own without actual firepower.


      its an ULTIMATE...THEY"RE SUPPOSED TO BE OP

      Except most Ubers (not Ultimates, go away with your LoLspeak please) barely do anything to heavy mobs past level ~60 or so, some don't even kill lighties at that point (cf. Avalanche, Radial Disarm, Sound Quake, ...).

      Also you could have saved yourself some time by just saying "no", your argument doesn't work as I just explained. Molecular Prime has the highest potential damage of all Warframe abilities, but other 'frames got very strong abilities as well, as I pointed out in previous posts.

      It's okay they don't deal as much damage though, they can do other stuff Nova cannot. Show me a team that has multiple Novas but no Frost doing T3 defense and I'll take that back. Until then, my point stands. No nerf needed, although the Duration could be nerfed as it's of NO interest at all to any Nova player imo.

      Edit: Just realized my post sounds way harsher than I intended, sorry about that.

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    • ultimates aren't just lol though hell i stopped playing lol after thy released nami it is used in many games for example fighting games we have an ultimat finisher or shortened to a ultimate.

      second point i agree molecular prime has some damage potential but against high level infested it can be rather useless as thier armour and hp just absorb all the damage as it has no armour ignore.

      third nova is alright but i dont worship the thing. i play saryn wich istwice as amazing as nova...and if you tell me saryns ult isn't as op novas.....your just flat out wrong. i can obliterate any enemy with a lvl 2 miasama...it ignores armour and is a dot so it doesnt just deliver in one huge blow

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    • please excuse any spelling errors i am multi tasking and have no time to check my spelling for all you nazi's out there

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    • Caboose19997 wrote:
      ultimates aren't just lol though hell i stopped playing lol after thy released nami it is used in many games for example fighting games we have an ultimat finisher or shortened to a ultimate.

      second point i agree molecular prime has some damage potential but against high level infested it can be rather useless as thier armour and hp just absorb all the damage as it has no armour ignore.

      third nova is alright but i dont worship the thing. i play saryn wich istwice as amazing as nova...and if you tell me saryns ult isn't as op novas.....your just flat out wrong. i can obliterate any enemy with a lvl 2 miasama...it ignores armour and is a dot so it doesnt just deliver in one huge blow

      Show me how you oneshot Ancients during Wave 50 or so on Xini. Youtube-Link. Blowing up a horde of lighties around those Ancients does more than two Miasma casts.

      Not like it matters what any abilities do after you get Acrid though.

      Good decision to quit LoL, think I quit about the time they released Zed.

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    • to answer your first question miasama doesn't do one single burst. it is like a poison build ability time and damage and it's prty easy to one shot multiple ancients. plus you dont have to be ridiculously fast in order to keep the lights near an acient to deal optimal damage.

      and i agree...acird op

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    • plus its good to see someone who has seen the liht and lef tlol

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    • I perfectly know what Miasma does, don't worry. That's also why I know it won't oneshot higher level ancients. Nova's ability also needs Rhino Roar to oneshot high level stuff past a certain point though, not like she keeps oneshotting waves with 1 cast when mobs are 200+ so that's another reason why I don't think she's as op as people believe, just true that she's really strong and the double damage taken debuff from Molecular Prime will _effectively_ deal more damage if you consider that your whole team does double damage to mobs with all guns and abilities (including Miasma).

      So yeah Nova packs a lot of punch but that doesn't mean she replaces Saryn, more like Nova and Saryn together do even more sick damage than each on their own I'd say. Too sleepy to do the math on who'll do more damage on his own given an arbitrarily high amount of mobs right now, 6 AM here after all. You do that or not, I think we can agree Nova is awesome but not THE frame to trump all others so we're cool for all I care.

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    • Loki is desired for advanced players

      For some reason i can use him and ash well, but not the other frames

      Anyone care to explain? o.o

      My opinion on Loki:

      A really good frame, low durability shouldn't matter if you can move around to avoid being shot at alot while keeping your stamina, and for his skills:

      Decoy can be a really good lifesaver or a distraction when reviving someone, especially in a defence(or is it spelt defense) mission when there are 9001 enemies, however it can still go down really fast

      Invisibility can also be a good lifesaver and a way to sneak behind enemies to take out the big guys while your teammates deal with little guys, for example:Grineer heavy gunner/Napalm/Whatsoever STUNneers they throw at you surrounded by troopers and such, you can go invisible and take out the STUNneer

      Switch teleport can be a troll or a life-saver, you can teleport a mag above a pit and get her to pull enemies to her, you can teleport a rhino into the midst of battle, you can save your OWN DAMN LIFE by teleporting out with another enemy, or you could also just troll people by switching them out of course.

      Radial disarm, the PRANK machine, turn a bunch of blade-shooting, jetpack-rocketing, bowling baller and stuff with guns into GLOWSTICK WIELDING MANIACS! how cool is that? :D

      That is my opinion given while i was sleepdrunk,thank you for your kind attention, and have a good night's sleep.

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    • for a drunk you did a pretty good job at describing loki and his abilities....thumbs up

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    • It really comes down to how you want to play. Loki isnt a tank. Most people on this subject compare Loki to other Warframes in terms of the ability to take damage and High power abilities. To that end he'd most likely lose. The real way to think of Loki is as a Spy or an  Infiltrator.

      He does'nt need high shields and powerful specials, if you know how to use him. I can clear most rooms with just my Cronus blade. Also his high mobility makes him the most valuable for speed runs.

      He's also a great addition to any defense mission with Decoy/Radial Disarm. and can save almost any teamate whos downed. The only real downside to Loki is the need to setup traps and think ahead which takes patience, otherwise you will die.

      Other than that, stop hating guys

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    • Dreamnomad wrote:
      It really comes down to how you want to play. Loki isnt a tank. Most people on this subject compare Loki to other Warframes in terms of the ability to take damage and High power abilities. To that end he'd most likely lose. The real way to think of Loki is as a Spy or an  Infiltrator.

      He does'nt need high shields and powerful specials, if you know how to use him. I can clear most rooms with just my Cronus blade. Also his high mobility makes him the most valuable for speed runs.

      He's also a great addition to any defense mission with Decoy/Radial Disarm. and can save almost any teamate whos downed. The only real downside to Loki is the need to setup traps and think ahead which takes patience, otherwise you will die.

      Other than that, stop hating guys

      I agree with the invisible ressing but to me that's where the viability ends, other than maybe switch teleporting downed people as I may or may not have stated previously in this thread.

      That you are using a Cronus blade, however, tells me you have no idea of endgame content (unless I misinterpreted).

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    • I agree with the invisible ressing but to me that's where the viability ends, other than maybe switch teleporting downed people as I may or may not have stated previously in this thread.

      That you are using a Cronus blade, however, tells me you have no idea of endgame content (unless I misinterpreted).

      Loki's viability as a warframe is completly up to your creativity and play style. You obviously prioritize different factors in determining the practicality of a warframe, which I fully support.

      I focus on speed and stealth and typically only use melee weapons/ Bow/ Revolver. Btw the Chronus is actually sufficient for most runs, I just have the simple mods on it: Reach, Fury, Pressure Point, Shocking Touch and North Wind. Stun+Speed= Death, of course the downside is that it does'nt hit multiple enemies. Working on a Reaper Prime Build to fix that...

      Your right though, Im not as far as I could be (still on jupiter spamming for parts). So are you saying my opinion would change later on in levels or something?

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    • Dreamnomad wrote:

      I agree with the invisible ressing but to me that's where the viability ends, other than maybe switch teleporting downed people as I may or may not have stated previously in this thread.

      That you are using a Cronus blade, however, tells me you have no idea of endgame content (unless I misinterpreted).

      Loki's viability as a warframe is completly up to your creativity and play style. You obviously prioritize different factors in determining the practicality of a warframe, which I fully support.

      I focus on speed and stealth and typically only use melee weapons/ Bow/ Revolver. Btw the Chronus is actually sufficient for most runs, I just have the simple mods on it: Reach, Fury, Pressure Point, Shocking Touch and North Wind. Stun+Speed= Death, of course the downside is that it does'nt hit multiple enemies. Working on a Reaper Prime Build to fix that...

      Your right though, Im not as far as I could be (still on jupiter spamming for parts). So are you saying my opinion would change later on in levels or something?

      Not the guy you are talking to but Loki's fagility and the lack of any real effect from his abilities makes him a bit iffy. His damage scales purely through his weapons and innately he lacks any ability to expend energy to deal with "Problem cases" Like almost every other warframe is able to do. Ultimately he is just another gun on your team with some neat tricks, but because of his caster level fragility it ultimately makes his worth as another gunner dubious. A good loki player can leverage his abilites extremely heavily, focusing on using decoy as an AOE taunt rather than trying to be some sort of "spy" or "stealth assassin" and when they work they work really well. But you need the energy aura to really keep his invisiblity up while putting out decoys, which puts you behing other energy using warframes, because without invisiblity he is too fragile. You esentially need to expend two abilites on any tough fight, where as most warframes just toss out one. Basically by endgame content you need to be way more kitted out than other warframes just to survive. The one thing he does that other warframes can't do much better is decoy, which can save a team well used. Otherwise I find most people prefer ash, because he is almost as fast as loki, and brings the same melee damage spike but he is much tougher, his stealth is shorter and costs less energy meaning it can be used to turn fights around in more rooms, and his shuriken is extremely effective on stuff like ancients and shield ospreys allowing him to instantly kill problems that may ultimately wipe the team by themselves.


      Don't get me wrong, the loki is a good frame, but it's flaws become more and more apparent the further you get into endgame content.

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    • I don't really get why so many people are claiming he is weak and useless. If used well he can out damage most other warframe via invisibility + melee. During the survival weekend event I used loki and end up being the designated reviver while at the same time still killing multiple 100+ levels with 2 to 3 shot max (heavily moded orthos) most sessions ending up killing over 200+ mobs than any other players at the same time scoring 75% or higher damage output.

      Yes, it is true he is weak in term shield and vitality. He doesn't have straight damage output like any other warframes via abilities (even with disarm on charge infested). You have Invisibility, abuse that power there is nothing stopping you from that (except no energy), there is no reason to be uncloaked while playing him unless you are recasting. Having Gram, Orthos, Scindo or any other AoE (multi target) via charge attack melee you can rank up lot of damage, and by far higher survibility than anyone else (if used properly).

      Loki excel in Sabotage, Raid, Spy, Extermination, Assassination and Capture.

      for those missions, just invis, kill or sprint to your destination, kill and get blue orbs, continue. Kill, destroy or capture objective. once mission is clear, do whatever you want, farm mobs, open lockers and containers etc, or skip everything and head to extraction.

      weak in Resue, defense and mobile defense. He is alright in those with a group but others outshine him.

      Although, Infested defense (both type) is very easy, just play "defend the decoy", instead of the pod/consoles. Place the decoy by the cryopod/console (not too close just enough to get aggro). When infested get near, they quickly change direction to your decoy, keep it alive as long as possible, by killing the infested (easy with orthos (prime is better) charge damage build). You can solo up to wave 15 with no problem, just keep an eye out for those toxic, they can kill you fast at higher level, even 1 shot you.

      Solo content at early levels is hard do to his inability to fully untilize his invisibility. Once you have passed rank 10 to 15 (if you don't have aura mods) or so and have decent mods, no content is challenging. Also at higher level only thing that can kill him is poison from toxic ancient and crawler.

      Another major downside of him that he is heavily reliant on his weapons. So to a beginner player, I heavily recommended to use another warframe that has better survability such as excalibur. or if you have good weapons with proper mods then loki would be fairly easy to farm nearly any content.

      Recommended items and mods(no specific order): Essense Helmet, Energy Syphon, Streamline, Continuity, Constitution, Quick Rest, Rush, Redirection (early levels: to give him higher survability if you don't have continuity and or contitution), Skills (his abilities mods).

      weapons: whatever you like, personally I prefer high damage & armor ignoring with piercing mods.

      I used him as my first and main warframe and he is just awesome, this sounds very bias and I know. I have gone through the distance from hating it, to absolutely loving him.

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    • Hidden raises some good points on how to deploy the loki warframe, focusing on consistent invisibility and the use of decoy, but there is one thing I need to mention.

      Offensive invisibility firmly rests in Ash's hands. While loki also gets the bonus damage from invisiblity, it is much riskier for him to use it and because his invisibility lasts longer and costs more it isn't as suitable for using to break a room of it's threat as Ash's is. It is better defensively to help Loki survive to use decoy, disarm, and gunplay away from harm. Also it is great for reviving.

      Ultimately loki IS a good frame, but it is very end game and has more flaws than other warframes in my opinion. It isn't worse, it just requires playing about those flaws.

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    • HiddenShadows wrote well about Loki.Loki really is for advanced players, tuned for maximum energy and power efficiency it becomes a great frame for a player to master his skills in energy combat, pacing, stealth gameplay, tactical positioning and always thinking one step ahead, i always go back to Loki when get bored spamming ultimates and have a real blast with him, very heavily modded and customized ofcourse, a different kind of gameplay really.

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    • 37.6.113.145 wrote:
      HiddenShadows wrote well about Loki.Loki really is for advanced players, tuned for maximum energy and power efficiency it becomes a great frame for a player to master his skills in energy combat, pacing, stealth gameplay, tactical positioning and always thinking one step ahead, i always go back to Loki when get bored spamming ultimates and have a real blast with him, very heavily modded and customized ofcourse, a different kind of gameplay really.

      Different, and utterly unviable in endgame content such as high lvl/wave defense and Tower III Defense.

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    • Xtakku wrote:
      37.6.113.145 wrote:
      HiddenShadows wrote well about Loki.Loki really is for advanced players, tuned for maximum energy and power efficiency it becomes a great frame for a player to master his skills in energy combat, pacing, stealth gameplay, tactical positioning and always thinking one step ahead, i always go back to Loki when get bored spamming ultimates and have a real blast with him, very heavily modded and customized ofcourse, a different kind of gameplay really.
      Different, and utterly unviable in endgame content such as high lvl/wave defense and Tower III Defense.

      Guess what buddy, thats why warframe slots are for and we have the heavier warframes for those missions, not suitable for high level defense and survival doesnt mean that Loki sucks.

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    • Loki's tough for beginners. Plain and simple. Your shields and health aren't great, your abilities don't do damage on their own. And your increased speed means little if you don't have the gear to kill your target when you actually get there. That said, his abilities are a combination no other frame has. Saryn only has a decoy, Ash only has the melee-boosting invisibility, Excal only has 1 "disorient the enemy for some breathing room" AoE skill, etc.

      That said, unless you're going for some ridiculously late-game content, he works. I personally use mine to farm bosses. I can reach my target without firing a shot, tear them apart with a powerful weapon, and go home again just as easily.

      And for the super-late-game, we got OP shit. Use it then. That's what it's there for. But I have wayyy more fun running mid-game missions with Loki than the other frames, which always play by "Walk in, nuke room, profit".

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    • 37.6.113.145 wrote:

      Guess what buddy, thats why warframe slots are for and we have the heavier warframes for those missions, not suitable for high level defense and survival doesnt mean that Loki sucks.

      Except it does mean that he sucks in comparison to others. Even for everything that is not high level stuff, there's always a Frame that can do it better than Loki. Want to farm bosses? Go Volt. Want to simply steamroll low-medium level content? Go anything (including Loki, admittedly).

      And yeah thanks for the hint on Warframe slots, I only have 11 so I wasn't aware.

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    • Xtakku wrote:

      Except it does mean that he sucks in comparison to others. Even for everything that is not high level stuff, there's always a Frame that can do it better than Loki. Want to farm bosses? Go Volt. Want to simply steamroll low-medium level content? Go anything (including Loki, admittedly).

      And yeah thanks for the hint on Warframe slots, I only have 11 so I wasn't aware.

      Except he doesn't suck in comparison to anyone. Wanna farm bosses without getting your face shot off? Go Loki. Want to get to an assassination w/out spending all your ammo/energy before the fight? Go Loki. Wanna breeze through a Capture, Deception or Spy mission (any level)? Go Loki. 

      For most missions this guy can run in and out in record time without shoting squat. Making him the best for farming. Plus can easily take the heat off his team in defense missions. Its not all about kill counts dude.

      I will say his decoys mostly gets riddled with bullets as soon as he puts it out, in the higher lvl tier defense/waves; but it can still group large enemys together giving Loki time to disarm them. Something any team would appreciate.

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    • Xtakku wrote:
      37.6.113.145 wrote:

      Guess what buddy, thats why warframe slots are for and we have the heavier warframes for those missions, not suitable for high level defense and survival doesnt mean that Loki sucks.

      Except it does mean that he sucks in comparison to others. Even for everything that is not high level stuff, there's always a Frame that can do it better than Loki. Want to farm bosses? Go Volt. Want to simply steamroll low-medium level content? Go anything (including Loki, admittedly).

      And yeah thanks for the hint on Warframe slots, I only have 11 so I wasn't aware.


      Yes you're well known for hating Loki, please do something more useful instead of trolling Lokis thread.

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    • I don't hate Loki, I merely prefer to have my mates play a Warframe that is good for something besides just being a meat (or metal, mind you) suit to carry their weapons and occasionally rez someone while cloaked. I don't pay much mind to the latter as I usually don't get downed anyway (oh yeah, I went there). Of course even the tankiest frames drop (and sometimes die) eventually, but I don't recall being out of Revives on my frames during any of Update 9 for example.

      It's not true that Loki brings nothing, it's just a sad fact that basically everyone else seems to bring more. I'd be all for a Loki buff although I have yet to outline a concept on that, as I believe every Warframe should be viable. Looking at Loki (and Volt too, for example) that is not the case as of now.

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    • Xtakku wrote:
      I don't hate Loki, I merely prefer to have my mates play a Warframe that is good for something besides just being a meat (or metal, mind you) suit to carry their weapons and occasionally rez someone while cloaked. I don't pay much mind to the latter as I usually don't get downed anyway (oh yeah, I went there). Of course even the tankiest frames drop (and sometimes die) eventually, but I don't recall being out of Revives on my frames during any of Update 9 for example.

      It's not true that Loki brings nothing, it's just a sad fact that basically everyone else seems to bring more. I'd be all for a Loki buff although I have yet to outline a concept on that, as I believe every Warframe should be viable. Looking at Loki (and Volt too, for example) that is not the case as of now.

      You're still a pompous prick (oh yeah, I went there). So I don't see what you add to the discussion. All you've done is state "Loki is crap" the same bloody way a dozen times, in spite of dozens of arguments to the contrary. You may not hate Loki, but I sense a certain disdain for the people that play as him, and it's pissing everyone else off.

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    • Getting personal doesn't make you right. Neither does insulting me. I haven't insulted you or anyone else for that matter, have I?

      The question was "what do you think about loki?" and I answered it. I don't hate Loki, I don't have any hate or disdain for people who play Loki in general. There was nothing in my posts indicating the contrary, it's just your very own misconception. I have no idea why you feel this way and feel the need to get offensive, apparently out of desperation because you realize I'm right. I was only discussing on facts, no hate, no disdain, no bias.

      Also, I have yet to see any real arguments that conradict any of what I said. Maybe you were talking about another thread, there's none here that contradict what I said. I said he wasn't viable for endgame content, and nobody has refuted this.

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    • ^I disagree with your lategame content argument, but yeah, the people on my side of the fence are getting pretty toxic.

      After running Loki around in T3 defense/mobile defense and comparing endgame stats with pub teammates, I will admit that you're right and he sucks compared to defense gods such as Frost/Nova/Vauban due to his lack of easily performed hard CC/damage amp. Still, I will stand by the fact that Radial Disarm turns Corrupted into Infested, and dropping a Decoy on a box/ledge/other weird place takes off a lot of heat.

      Regarding endgame content, Defense isn't the only thing to play out there, especially now that they've added Survival. You can even use him to solo J-2000...or Lephantis as they now call it.

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    • I don't think a level 50 boss counts as endgame content. Didn't revisit him after he was renamed/-worked though as I already had all 3 parts.

      Other than that I think I'll admit "useless" was the wrong word to use. I still believe you don't need Radial Disarm when you have Snow Globe though.

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    • No, he's not /end/game content, but once you've gotten your endgame equipment, Lephantis is a good deal more fun to fight with a stack than yet another run of Xini...or solo, because almost every other boss boils down to turning invisible and spamming charge attack. It's a nice change of pace and drew me back into the game after slaughtering mobs grew stale.

      And on Defense missions, I'd have to agree with you there on the Snow Globe, but pairing the two is fun.

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    • To me Warframe is mostly a coop game so pairing/mixing abilities that synergize well is kind of what the players should do anyway. :p

      When I played D3 and said it was a Coop game people tended to rage at me, not sure if they did because they had no friends to play with or anything...

      Regardless, Warframe > D3 anyway. (:

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    • I love my loki .

      -He is super fun to play.

      -With him, you will understand why we are space ninjas.

      -When mastered you will fly through maps(max rush help :)

      -You can be perma invisible


      -Not as good at higher levels where you need to defend something that is not yourself or team mates (good use of decoy and radial disarm may help but still not as useful as other frames)

      -Worse starter frame ever.

          -All your damage comes from your weapons, so you may need to get your hands in some good weapons before he start being effective,

         -He needs (At least my build needs) a lot a rare mods which you get a lot into the game(Continuity, Focus, Streamline, energy siphon) again it is my build. I like to be invisible and have double melee damage. The best way to lower the damage done to your health is not getting hit in the first place.


      -squishy??? He is if you play him like you would play with rhino.


      My opinion: I would advice you against getting him as your starter frame. However, you should totally get him later. 

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    • Throwing in my 2 cents, I like Loki, but if you're ambushed, you're dead. Happened just again, Corpus exterminate - easy usually. I walk towards a door, it opens, a dozen Corpus shoot, I die. I think I had enough time to actually hit the button for invisibility, but I was long dead before he even tried to start it... (Not that it would have helped - invisibility doesn't protect from laser fire that is already aimed in your direction...)

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    • so nobody is going to mention the fact that loki can mow down any target that is meleeable in twice the time of any warframe? 

      or did everyone forgot the fact that loki stealth also gives +250% charged attacks while its active? i dont know what else anyone needs to quickly destroy any boss period.


      and who the hell is stupid enough to fall for an ambush with a 2 second invulnerability frame while casting stealth, clone teleport and clone swich.

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      • in half the time
      • +100%, not +250%
      • You're not invulnerable while casting nor are you invulnerable during. Nor are you invulnerable while casting decoy. I've been killed while panic-casting Invisibility.
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    • If you're going to play Loki, I strongly urge you to read the entirety of the Information tab. While a creative player can already figure some of this stuff out, swapping places with downed teammates or sticking decoys between two crates are fantastic ideas to try out.

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    • Baldeale wrote:
      *in half the time
      • +100%, not +250%
      • You're not invulnerable while casting nor are you invulnerable during. Nor are you invulnerable while casting decoy. I've been killed while panic-casting Invisibility.

      yeah was wrong about the dmg 

      you will be invulnerable while turning invisible and using radial disarm. try using it while youre about to be bashed by something that would otherwise throw you to the ground. 

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    • 24.191.49.79 wrote:
      Baldeale wrote:
      *in half the time
      • +100%, not +250%
      • You're not invulnerable while casting nor are you invulnerable during. Nor are you invulnerable while casting decoy. I've been killed while panic-casting Invisibility.
      yeah was wrong about the dmg 

      you will be invulnerable while turning invisible and using radial disarm. try using it while youre about to be bashed by something that would otherwise throw you to the ground. 

      Thats not invulnerability its just being able to resist a knockdown which is good but you still take damage to shields or health. 

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    • Personally, I really like loki... Sure, what he can do, other warframes can do better. But that just means that he's a "Jack of all trades, master of none" He's more efficient than the others, because he is the whole package in one. Sure, he's weak. That's because he wasn't meant to be super strong in the first place. He's supposed to be the one, sneaking throughout the battlefield, distracting enemies with decoys... and in my own experience... revive team mates that are in the center of a GIGANTIC group of enemies, due to him being able to revive allies whilst cloaked, and then decoying to grant the ally a bit of extra leeway to get out of there. It's true. Creative, paitent, and ultimately, efficient players do best as loki. If you think that all warframes are meant for damage, You are clearly mistaken. I rarely ever go down as loki, i have 550 shields, and when that goes down, my sentinel boosts my shields, and then i cloak when that's almost gone. But it's not a stretch to say that if you play loki, you will be better with later warframes.

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    • ppl needs to know that loki has sorted as a caster, not as a melee damage dealer even he has very very high melee dps.

      thats because of his abillity dependent tendency. he have to keep use his invisibility to became powerful damage dealer. because of this, he needs huge Energy pool and Duration and Efficiency mods.

      225 shield and HP at 30 lvl is enough for him. if he get into invisible only thing that can harm him is aoe effect damages. if you think thats not enough for him then add some defensive mod for prevent sudden death.

      and last thing you need for play as loki you must focus on weapons you uses good weapons means good fire power this is so important cuz loki doesnt have ANY direct damage abillity

      these reasons makes loki as Lategameframe. if you satisfy these condition, you can rule any level, include boss levels. thanks to permanant invisibility and lots of crowd control ability

      if someone keep talking loki is worst or sucky he or she might be a new player or ordinary shooting player who doesnt know use his frame's abillity. whoever might not be pro

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    • Only bad thing about Loki is after lvling him to 30 you have to start a new frame (except Vauban, he is awesome as well). I think the other frames are such a bore in comparison, you have all these nice utility powers that compliment a wide range of weapons and tactics, then you start one of the "good" frames that goes in and pushes one button and wipes the room. Loki also helps immensly in higher lvl as other people have mentioned with Radial Disarm and just a better sense of what is going on since you are already so used to be killed in a single stagger.

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    • Lets just put it this way to the people saying hes too squishy to be useful.

      I run a practically infinite stealth build where I keep reactivating stealth and keep it going at all times. it lasts 31 seconds and I regen most of it whilst it only costs me 12.5 energy at the maximum 75% energy efficiency.

      Why should you worry about being squishy when you /NEVER GET HIT OR FOCUSED AT ALL/

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    • Loki was actually my starter Frame. At first, I actually thought that he sucks and is a bad frame. Although it all changed when I miraculously levelled him to 30 and got a bit of knowledge on MODS. Now I abused his invisibility plus a fully modded Galatine, I pretty much deal the highest damage in squads I play with. At lower tier missions and at the beginning, he might be soft, but at higher tier missions plus fully Modded, he's an invisible and invincible badass. It's just how you play the Frame and how to fully take advantage of his skills.

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    • Cyberman TM wrote:
      Throwing in my 2 cents, I like Loki, but if you're ambushed, you're dead.

      Happened just again, Corpus exterminate - easy usually. I walk towards a door, it opens, a dozen Corpus shoot, I die. I think I had enough time to actually hit the button for invisibility, but I was long dead before he even tried to start it... (Not that it would have helped - invisibility doesn't protect from laser fire that is already aimed in your direction...)

      Enemy Radar Warframe Mod

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    • Loki is for advanced players..ADVANCED.....

      if you dislike loki because you think he's too squishy or his kit is "useless", then I invite you to read the statement once again.

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    • Loki + invis + Orthos with Pressure Point, Reach, Fury, Organ Shatter, True Steel, Heavy Trauma and Sundering Strike = a juggernaut of death able to clear entire rooms in seconds. If you think he's weak, you just don't know how to play him.

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    • Don't wanna pick loki as a starter for warframe ? Upto you people. Say what negativity you want about Loki. Let me share my story. A friend started playing warframe, I asked what characters are available at choice. He said only 3. I picked Loki when showed a crash course for it. For obvious reasons, I like his name which is based on the Norse "God". A trickster.Thinking of his abilities not many players would like this character at the start. From my POV, sure its nice to deal good amount of damage and able to hit multiple enemies skill dependant or not. But I prefer technic and outwitting my enemies. First of all it was hard for me ranking up & doing things alone, nevertheless I didn't gave up on Loki. Cause I knew this warframe had certain advantages & disadvantages. But once reaching rank 30, getting my mods I need. Looking through other people's build & listening from tips. I can solo throughout my missions at ease and less time consumed and have fun at the same time. Tho they might be times where I die, but liek I could give a fuck if I bleedout. Cause I can repeat missions and end it fast. Dmg output by my galatine. 81k crit dmg ? Don't tell me you don't care what dmg you can deal. So far i've only mastered my melee dmg output. Primary & secondary yet to reach a decent amount to reach higher waves of defense. But I reached Wave 40 Orokin Derelict Defense with ease using melee doing FREAKING HIGH DMG crits but of course with assistance from teammates. So yeah, it comes to an individual to choose what he/she wants. You want it easy or hard or what ever you decide. Its upto you. These people won't help you. I find it ridiculous that people are comparing warframes. They are built to the extend they are built. Only to go agaisn't each other in conclave or dueling room I understand. But overall good warframes ? Seriously ? Every frame can do overkill. IT DEPENDS HOW YOU PLAY IT !

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    • loki is for pro players he is verstile and fun warframe. true he dont have damage, he dont have much hp. but is moreto play with him and imo  is one of the best warfaremrs (nekros is other one)

      in survival or def misiions  vs high lvl enemies  + 30-40 lvl, (corpus or greniers) loki is a must have in your team to disarm entire map

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    • 1.9.107.72 wrote:
      Don't wanna pick loki as a starter for warframe ? Upto you people. Say what negativity you want about Loki. Let me share my story. A friend started playing warframe, I asked what characters are available at choice. He said only 3. I picked Loki when showed a crash course for it. For obvious reasons, I like his name which is based on the Norse "God". A trickster.Thinking of his abilities not many players would like this character at the start. From my POV, sure its nice to deal good amount of damage and able to hit multiple enemies skill dependant or not. But I prefer technic and outwitting my enemies. First of all it was hard for me ranking up & doing things alone, nevertheless I didn't gave up on Loki. Cause I knew this warframe had certain advantages & disadvantages. But once reaching rank 30, getting my mods I need. Looking through other people's build & listening from tips. I can solo throughout my missions at ease and less time consumed and have fun at the same time. Tho they might be times where I die, but liek I could give a fuck if I bleedout. Cause I can repeat missions and end it fast. Dmg output by my galatine. 81k crit dmg ? Don't tell me you don't care what dmg you can deal. So far i've only mastered my melee dmg output. Primary & secondary yet to reach a decent amount to reach higher waves of defense. But I reached Wave 40 Orokin Derelict Defense with ease using melee doing FREAKING HIGH DMG crits but of course with assistance from teammates. So yeah, it comes to an individual to choose what he/she wants. You want it easy or hard or what ever you decide. Its upto you. These people won't help you. I find it ridiculous that people are comparing warframes. They are built to the extend they are built. Only to go agaisn't each other in conclave or dueling room I understand. But overall good warframes ? Seriously ? Every frame can do overkill. IT DEPENDS HOW YOU PLAY IT !

      I agree, with loki I can practically takedown almost all frames in pvp ( aside from the constant Gal groups ) plus offensive skill from other player are energy drained by loki's ult not forgetting the boosts you get from invis melee damage. I personally like chucking 2-3 castanas on my opponents or making a stug mine feild, but all in all Loki is used for creative tactics which is somehow always overshadowed by other offensive frames. P.S. I haven't used loki in for a while but I still own those Rihnos, Novas, Volts and Vaubans

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      • Decoy is also great against Infested, as the Infested will crowd around the decoy.  It also helps to get rid of Runners due to the their nature.
      • Switch Teleport can be useful to move your teammates to a better position or the extraction point. Also, you can switch with wounded allies, making it easier for someone to revive them.
      • Decoy can be used to great effect against Infested, especially because Infested maps often include pits.  Deploy the decoy at the bottom of a chasm, and the Infested will leap into the chasm after it, dying instantly.  This will, however, forfeit any loot.

      ...Yes, I actually took time to read that link before posting. =/

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    • One of the best frames in the game. Rage + quick thinking + energy siphon + streamline + constitution (or continuity) + stretch + flow and he's an almost unkillable murder machine. One of the few frames with 4 very useful abilities. As for being weapons dependent, what frame isn't?

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    • ^

      You're doing it wrong. 

      That's one of the worst Loki builds possible.

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    • I'm doing it wrong? LOL!!! Extensive experience tells me otherwise bro.

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    • 93.231.188.43 wrote:
      when i buy a ps4? and wanna play warframe,   i want to choose loki as first warframe. what do you think? I can choose another if you want.

      Loki is an awesome frame , im rank 13 and i use him all the time , sure he isnt a very powerful frame but if u know how to use him with the right mods hes just as useful as any other frame and get help u out alot in high level survival - defense , hes also 1 of the fastest frames making him good for capture runs , put on a rush , quick rest and marathon and u can complete any tower capture in under 4-5mins , providing u have a powerful weapon to take down the target.

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    • Please DON'T pick Loki as your starting Warframe.

      Without decent firepower, he'll seem terrible to you.

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    • R3leaZ wrote:
      It's actually the opposite. Loki isnt very useful lower levels but becomes a lot more useful at higher levels. A lvl 100 heavy gunner with no gun is useless. It's a matter of creative play. I use stretch mod to maximize the disarm, decoy and teleport range. With Loki you need to run and gun a lot or turn invisible a lot.

      I also use Flow, Streamline and Continuity.


      Loki is one of the stronger lategame Warframes with max duration u can invis for 30 sec and have no e-problems at all so u can ez farm all missions or own shit in survival when other ppl dying like flys.  For defence his radial disarm is one of the strongest abilitys with max range (50 meters) and 75% e-cost reduction. U can also do fun missions in "only melee" and outdps whole team with him. Most ppl just dont know how to utilize him right.

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    • I do not wish to piss everyone off too much, But Loki is one of the best scalers when used STRATEGICALLY and with aid/good weapons.One of the best combos for team that my friends and I have found is Loki, Nyx, Trinity, and Nova. It's just plain funny to watch lv 100+ corpus beating eachother to death with E-Sticks, and with Nova, one kill and they all explodify into tiny bits. Personal opinion, but with him on a survival, you can easily beat a t3 exterminate in 4 minutes with 2 people. (And you can Stealth attack multiple times when invis. WHOOPS.) The Switch teleport can SEPERATE BOSSES FROM A CROWD, and when done correctly sets them for a 3-on-1 while the other guys beat on a decoy for a minute till the boss dies. Yes my Starter, Yes I have Trinity and Zephy, but for anything high level, I go Loki.

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    • Oh come on guys Loki is built to be the stealthiest warframe, he really is. personally I find that he's the best for me for Nightmare mode especially on Exterminate missions, the fact that he's so agile and he can be invisible just makes him perfect. He really isn't the kind of frame to go to war with. He is the pinnacle of assassination in the game.

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    • Anekheim wrote:
      honestly, if you start out with loki before anyone else, you WILL become better at the game overall. i say this because loki is the literal underdog out of all he frames as for as power out in ablilties. he does no damage what so ever. so what that phase "if you cant outgun em, outthink em." and thats exactly what the "true ninja" aspect of this game is. what i will tell oyu because i still my loki in the essence form (he is the leader of my frames) is that the best combo i have found starting off is lokis favorite guns which are strun, afuris and bo. try that out and tell me how you like it man lol.

      STRENGTH, TENNO!!!

      Agreed 100%. Loki will make you good at the game because he IS an advanced frame. Choosing him is basically picking hard mode at the start of the game. He is VERY squishy, so you have to learn advanced tactics and critical thinking in the heat of battle VERY fast.

      When I started WarFrame I was kinda cocky. I picked Loki because I thought I was a badass and I wanted to be the guy that mastered the WarFrame "desired by advanced players". Also, in most games I tend to like being a trickster of sorts so I felt like Loki would mesh well with my personality. And he absolutely does. But at first he didn't. He very much did not.

      If you're new to WarFrame or action games in general, you will die a LOT as Loki at first. I did. For the longest time, I could barely solo missions and I couldn't solo Jackal to save my life.

      Then I started playing more carefully. Thought a bit more about what I did next and how I would go into the next room. I'd approach every door by hugging the walls and peering in from around the corner to see what was up. I started applying what little fusion mods I had to Decoy and Invis. And I learned that invis grants you 400% damage on melee attacks.

      Nowadays I can solo most bosses so easily it almost feels like I'm cheating. I run around in invis ohkoslashing everything with my dual kamas and casting decoys out into rooms ahead of me to watch where the gunfire comes from so I can pick out targets I can't even see yet.

      If I'm stupid, I can still die pretty fast, and I do get stupid quite a bit. But when played correctly, squishy little Loki absolutely wrecks shit.

      So, pick Loki if stealth and trolling sounds like your thing, but be prepared to visit the school of hard knocks. It'll be worth it, but god damn will it hurt until it is.

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    • 174.45.28.222 wrote:
      ^

      Obviously you have never used invisibility + melee with loki.

      200% charge damage is most definitely an advantage


      And as for banshee, have you ever tried max focus + sonar on ANY BOSS?

      2-6 shot kill.

      Good day sir :P

      isn't it 400%... but still... Galatine with charge built is just too OP combined with ivisibility >:D

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    • Seriously Loki Sucks. i picked it as my starter and all i could do with his special attacks is the hologram. i can play without dying pretty fast. i now have oberon

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    • some people are not ready to start with loki.  especially ones who like oberon.

      many of us consider loki the best because:

      we are experienced enough to realize how his toolkit fits the game with mid+ level mobs

      we know how to avoid fire (not including disarm)

      we have the gear (mods+weapons both) to support the builds that make loki so OP.


      some people come around later, some are still in denial.

      either way, the view of the outsiders doesnt change how we percieve loki.

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    • If you mod him right, you can make his invisibility last forever. And since invisibility = invincibility...

      Loki wins.

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    • Depending on how you play, Loki can be the best or worst frame for you. Loki is difficult to when you just start out because you are heavily relying on your weapons to kill and you don't have many mods to maximize some of loki's incredible abilities. I, personally, love using Loki because I mainly play solo. At high levels when you get lots of mods, you can stay permanently invisible, which is great for surviving because enemies won't target you if you are invisible. I am not a big fan of radial disarm because of how much better I think invisibility is, but many players love it for team play.

      I remember starting the game with Loki and being able to survive well because I kept acting like a ninja. These were low level enemies which would not kill too quickly if I made a mistake, but if you progress through the game too fast without getting the right mods or leveling your warframe, you will find yourself in very difficult situations where you would rather choose a different warframe.

      If you are up for the challenge, start with Loki, otherwise choose either excalibur or mag. Just remember that Mag can be obtained rather early, Loki is somewhat near the end-game, and Excalibur is found at the end. In terms of the boss difficulties, I'd say Loki is currently the most difficult to obtain as of today (4/2/2014) because it has been revamped to be tougher. Mag's and Excalibur's bosses currently have not been on the roadmap for revamping.

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    • Metroidman12311 wrote:
      I do the same kind of thing. loki is about knowing what is the problem and how to fix it fast. heavy grineer? disarm. boss? invis and decoy. enemies holding down an area? invis then switch teleport into the middle. he is for advanced players but people treat him like another cal or other frame that can stand easily. he relies on his abilities but no one but the good players know when to use them.

      Coming from someone who mains Loki all I can say is Yes. Well said my good sir!

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