I wanted to make a blog listing the elemental damages and providing "Real" damage and resistance mechanics to be based on actual physics, to show why DE is right not to make a "Realistic" damage 2.0. This is not what i want implemented in the game, i am merely tabulating a more realistic chart based on the elementals in the game.
Warning: this blog is very large and complex (and took me a pretty long time to make) and there is no Tl;Dr.
Also note that this has nothing to do with the current system, this is my own idea.
With the chart below we are assuming:
- Shields are based on strong magnetic repulsion created by an electronic power source.
- Grineer Armor is Iron based plating. (ferrite is iron)
- Corpus tech armor has Ferrite strands woven into their suits.
- Non-robotic enemies are made up of mostly water.
- Robotics have partially shielded components.
- Infested are made of a mixture of Flesh and Robotic. (not robot parts, simply having a virus that is partially associated with electricity and/or circuits, which taps into biological circuits)
- Grineer Flesh is partially augmented with robotic enhancements, thus having a slight robotic effect.
- Some elementals are not physical processes, like heat, thus bypassing shielding.
The first number is Grineer flesh, the second is flesh of Corpus. A 0% number means it will do normal damage and a single number means it does that to both grineer and corpus flesh. Grineer flesh also considers Armor and small Robotic enhancements. Explanation of damage types is under the chart. Damage numbers listed are misleading, see individual damages below chart to see why.
My Revised Chart
|ver 11.3.2||Surface:||Shields||Armor||Flesh||Infested||Robotic||Status Effect|
|Puncture||+5%||+50%||+5%/0%||-25%||+25%||Health Dot/Critical Hit|
|Template:Cold Damage||Bypass||-25%||+25%||+10%||-25%||-Fire Rate/-Shielding|
|Template:Electric Damage||Bypass+10%||Bypass||+30%/+25%||+10%||+75%||Electrocute/Disable Electronics|
|center|Damage 2.0 - Heat Template:Heat Damage||Bypass||-25%||+50%||+50%||-25%||Burn/Overheat|
|center|Damage 2.0 - Toxin Template:Toxin Damage||Bypass||+25%||+50%||+25%||-50%||Erosion/Sicken|
|Combined Elements||Blast|| File:6-heat.png + File:4-cold.png|
Template:Heat Damage + Template:Cold Damage
|Corrosive|| File:5-electric.png + File:7-toxin.png|
Template:Electric Damage + Template:Toxin Damage
|Gas|| File:6-heat.png + File:7-toxin.png|
Template:Heat Damage + Template:Toxin Damage
|Magnetic|| File:4-cold.png + File:5-electric.png|
Template:Cold Damage + Template:Electric Damage
|Radiation|| File:6-heat.png + File:5-electric.png|
Template:Heat Damage + Template:Electric Damage
|Viral|| File:4-cold.png + File:7-toxin.png|
Template:Cold Damage + Template:Toxin Damage
Shields are all based on a strong magnetic repulsion field, blocking most physical projectiles, although Puncture has more force then the others so it does a bit more damage.
Armor is based on either Iron plating or tightly woven iron meshes, blocking most physical projectiles and shielding from elemental hazards, but puncture has enough force to puncture through armor.
Grineer flesh is composed of mostly water, and also contains electronic enhancements that are slightly weak to electrical damage.
Corpus flesh is composed mostly of water, and because of that slightly weak to electrical damage.
Infested are composed of both Flesh, and composed of an electronic nano-virus and as such, has a balance of weaknesses that both flesh and robotics share. Due to mostly decomposing or partially connective, impact deals slightly more damage due to shaking them apart.
Robotics are electronic machines, with light armor covering their bodies. (does not relate to the Armor resistance) They are more resistance to slashing damage due to their armored outer layers.
Physical Damage Types:
Much like a physical explosion, impact as as much force as puncture, but spread out over a larger area. This makes it less effective against armor. Impact damage is described as the expansion of air surrounding the projectile, thus shields block the damage from reaching the target. A real world example would be explosive rounds.
- Proc causes knockback or a brief stunning effect.
Projectiles that travel faster, have a harder and/or sharper point can punch through armor, enough to bypass half of the armor's effects. It also has enough force to put a strain on shields trying to deflect them, doing a slight bonus amount of damage. This however means it passes through the target more easily, doing less damage to flesh and infested. It does however harm the delicate robotics installed in grineer flesh, thus doing slightly more damage. A real world example would be armor piercing bullets.
- Proc causes the target to bleed, reducing health over time, and the shot that procced will be a guaranteed critical hit that deals double damage directly to health if shields are down.
Projectiles that are very sharp, but travel slowly. Slash damage does more damaged to armor due to it's cutting and slashing nature, but much less then Puncture. Fleshy targets get cut up and sliced, doing more to them and infested. An example in the real world would be like tiny throwing stars.
- Proc causes the target to bleed, reducing health over time, and increases the chance of dealing a critical hit on the target.
Elemental Damage Types
Described as a major drop in temperature surrounding the projectile, it bypasses shielding, but armor blocks some of the effects. Flesh freezes a little.
- Proc causes shields to be reduced, and weapons to fire more slowly due to the freezing effects. Does not slow a target down.
Electricity bypasses shields, while also reducing shields to to electronic interference, causing the shields to be slightly effected. Bypasses any armor due to armor conducting electricity, dealing damage directly to flesh. Robotics are very weak to electrical damage due to being made up of mostly delicate circuitry.
- Proc causes Electrocution to humanoids, stunning them, and temporarily disables the electronics in robots for 3 seconds as they reboot their systems. Shields however, still function during this down period.
Like Cold, heat is described as a sudden rise in temperature around the projectile, bypassing shields. Armor acts as a barrier and reduces heat's effects. Causes flesh to burn, dealing extra damage. Robotics also resist this damage.
- Proc causes burning, causing a Dot damage to be applied, reduced by armor. Enemies are not stunned, but causes weapons to overheat, jamming Grineer weapons and reducing accuracy of corpus ones.
Toxin can refer to a few things, a liquid poison, or a gas. since gas is already a damage type, i stuck with liquid. Bypasses shields, slightly corrodes armor, and does extra to flesh. Robotics are resistant to toxins.
- Proc causes a 25% reduction in armor and robotic health, and a sicken effect in humanoids.
Combined Elemental Types
Described as the rapid expansion of air in a small area, blast ignores shields but simply pushes armor and robotics, doing less against them. Does normal damage to flesh and infested.
- Proc causes knockdown and a blinding effect like a flash grenade, reducing enemy accuracy for 3 seconds after recovering from knockdown.
Corrosive, like toxin, ignores armor and erodes armor and robotics, but at a much higher rate due to rapid oxidation. Deals a slight increase in damage to health due to it's corrosive toxin, although less lethal then pure toxin.
- Proc causes a reduction in armor, and jams weapons temporarily.
Gas damage is like airborne poison. Bypassing shields, it is less corrosive to armor and robotics but does a bit more damage, and causes flesh to burn with toxic gas. Infested are weak to this damage due to the fact they are both slightly electronic but mostly flesh.
- Proc causes a slight reduction in armor, a health DoT that bypasses armor, and a sicken effect.
Magnetic damage tampers with shield systems and robotics, doing extra to those units.
- Proc causes the target to become magnetized.
Radiation describes the rapid decay of atoms, bullets or energy projectiles are infused with a radioactive metal or gas. Armor and robotics shield against this type of damage, but destroys the cells of flesh rapidly.
- Proc causes confusion and a sicken effect, causing them to temporarily attack other enemies while reducing max health.
Viral is described as a potent, physical virus. Shields and armor resist these particles, but flesh and infested are very weak to this damage type. Deals 0 damage to robotic enemies (will still deal 75% damage to their shields) but will still proc.
- Proc causes a sicken and health Dot effect.
Status Effects Explained
Some of the status effects explained, if not explained above.
- Causes that shot to deal a guaranteed hit that deals 50% more damage. This overwrites a weapon's critical damage (with a 5.5x soma it will only deal 1.5 for that shot, but it helps less powerful weapons only)
- Can be procced from: Puncture
- Increases your teams weapons crit chance by 100% for 5 seconds on that particular target, allowing weapons with a lower critical chance to have a better chance at dealing a critical hit.
- Has no effect on weapons with 0 critical chance.
- Passive increase, weapon with 50% critical chance will have 100% crit chance for 5 seconds on that enemy.
- Can be procced from: Slash
- Although similar, bleed causes a 10 DoT sec/5 seconds whereas Health DoT only causes 5 DoT.
- Bleed causes visual blood where Health DoT does not.
- Can be procced from: Slash, Puncture, Gas, Viral
- Reduces an enemy's fire rate of their weapon by 50%. Has no effect on melee attacks or speed.
- Can be procced from: Cold
- Causes a Heat DoT on the target dealing 10% of that weapon's damage shot per second for 5 seconds on the target as heat, affected by armor. Will deal very high damage to infested.
- Can be procced by: Heat
- Causes weapons to overheat, jamming clunky grineer weapons for 3 seconds, and reducing the accuracy of more sturdy corpus weapons, as the heat damage warps the metal.
- Can be procced from: Heat
- Causes a direct health toxin DoT, dealing 10% of that weapon's damage shot per second for 5 seconds. bypasses armor and shields, But will deal 5% damage instead to robotics.
- Can be procced from: Toxin, Gas, Radiation, Viral
- Causes enemies to attack the nearest enemy for 5 seconds. Causes some enemies to focus their attention on the affected enemy for a short time.
- Can be procced from: Radiation
- Magnetizing has variable effects. Against enemies with Armor, bullets within a 10 meter radius of the target will turn and strike them. Against Flesh, it causes a sicken effect due to it messing with the iron in the blood and pulling it around, causing 5 DoT for 10 seconds. Against Robotics, it causes the actuators in the legs (or the movement motors in rollers) to stop, forcing the enemy to be immobile for 5 seconds. MOA's can still operate their guns, but Fusion Moas cannot release drones during this period.
Misleading Notes: This system makes weapons like the Torid and Embolist to change. Torid's grenades deal viral damage on impact, and Gas clouds. the Embolist deals Gas damage.
If you managed to read the whole thing, thanks! It took me about 2 hours to write all this and tabulate the damage types and resistances. So what do you think? This was basically my 2 cents on all the people (including myself) that say "wouldn't radiation do this to X" or "wouldn't X do this to X" and i wanted to show everyone a "real life" example chart. This basically shows yeah, DE isn't making this damage system based 100% on "Actual" physics or processes. Instead, they are basing some on physics or things that make sense, and others just to make them all balance out. As you can tell with my chart, if they actually wanted to be "realistic", it would cause some damage types to just be pointless to use, and others would be god damage types.